Fag advertising

[ferrari fan]

I do not know about you ,but there was a couple of times ,very clearly fag branding on the screen .
The 1/2 reenactment with the XC's had clearly the Camel branding on them as they paraded around the circuit. Also the interem info bits had some of the Marlboro livery on the cars and clearly on the screen and were great to see them again.I do not have any probvlem,personaly ,with this ,and so why in the wide world can we not have the same on our models !
they (FAGNAMES ) are all over the Printnews,and Television Formula1 from Japan
this is not directed at Biante,as they have to follow the Law .
this just a whinge to other collectors, out of fustration.
I was informed that if I did display my F1 ferrari's ,who are all modified, I would get a BIG fine and all the offending models confiscated.:confused:

[XR6WGN]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
The 1/2 reenactment with the XC's had clearly the Camel branding on them as they paraded around the circuit. Also the interem info bits had some of the Marlboro livery on the cars and clearly on the screen and were great to see them again.I do not have any probvlem,personaly ,with this ,and so why in the wide world can we not have the same on our models !
they (FAGNAMES ) are all over the Printnews,and Television Formula1 from Japan
this is not directed at Biante,as they have to follow the Law .
this just a whinge to other collectors, out of fustration.
I was informed that if I did display my F1 ferrari's ,who are all modified, I would get a BIG fine and all the offending models confiscated.:confused:

Well picked up Ferrari Fan - I must admit I didn't even notice the advertising - I totally agree with you, It really makes a mockery of the laws.

Cheers

Paul B
XR6WGN

[terrine]

it has been explained here before that TOYS (diecast models) cannot carry cigarette advertising...

r/peter

[brchi17]

Haven,t we had this conversation before ?????

I know I am not offended by cigarette advertising and what was shown over the Bathurst weekend made a mockery of the current laws.

I think the problem we have, is that our belovered models are still classified as a children's toy & anyone who has seen what we're talking about, will know this is not the case.

But we all know what politicions are like, don't we!!!!

I think the best way to deal with this is to get your preferred model as it come from the manfacturer and if you want to change it, then it is your choice. Otherwise leave it as it is.

I think in this day and age of people being unable to take responbility for their own actions, we have no chance of changing the current tobacco advertising laws.

Who knows, in five years time it may be an offence to have models with VB etc..., on it!!!!

[jager]

The tobacco issue in Australia is a tricky one due to current legislation but it should be possible to work around it. Australia is the only country who has (currently) decided to ban these models and Minichamps, IXO and others don't have a problem supplying tobacco sponsored models to other markets.

The solution to Biante's dilema would be to produce all tobacco models under either the Minichamps or Autoart brand name rather than Biante. Collectors would then order these models from a shelf company in Singapore, Hong Kong or wherever (provided it was offshore) and then import them privately. It might end up costing $10 more per model due to higher shipping costs but you'd all end up with accurate models rather than 'toys'.

There may be those who would say the above is not feasible but I have approx 15 models in my collection with full tobacco livery from Minichamps, IXO & Quartzo that I have been able to import privately without problems.

[ferrari fan]

Yes we have had a similar discussion before .
This was to discuss fagbranding on Biante models etc.
This is NOT what I am about.
It is to point out the fustrating inaccuracy of it all and the random
sh!t that is dished around by dowellers that think they have a mandate,while it is leaking all around them in a manner of speak.
I stated before BIANTE cannot do anything but Obay the current leglislation and this is not even an issue.
I was wondering if it was as annoying to other collectors who watched the biggest Australian Motorrace event that together with the GP's is send out to us WITH Fagbranding all over the place(By the way ;I do not mind it at all.):p
Please do not twist this around and go over the modelissue again!:mad: but just the inaccuracy of it all in broadcast way of terms.

[enforcer]

You are a responsible citizen....email the NSW government and ask them how come??
Would be an interesting answer I bet! May even open the way for the words to be put on the twin set.

[ferrari fan]

as far as I understand it is not a state issue but a federal one.
maybe we could ask Aussieconnector to have dinner with the relevant federal minister of our great country,if he is not to busy, and to adress the irragularities ? (spelcheck please!):D

[bev]

Jager,

Correction, Minichamps models do not come with tobacco sponsorship as they have the same rules in Germany concerning models as do most countries they supply. Biante has distributed their models in Australia for many years and never have we had Marlboro on Schumacher or Senna cars, West on McLaren, B&H on Jordan, etc.

Ixo (and formerly Vitesse) are based in Portugal, where it would appear that there are no rules regarding tobacco

[jager]

Hi Bev

In the past Minichamps have produced numerous models with full cigarette advertising. They have produced various Touring Cars, Sportscars and F1 cars with full 'B***** and
H*****', 'M******', 'W***' and other tobacco sponsorship.

Here are few links to pictures of Minichamps tobacco models :-

http://home.t-online.de/home/fcbmarcus/912090.htm

http://home.t-online.de/home/fcbmarcus/913130.jpg

http://home.t-online.de/home/fcbmarcus/922096.jpg

In recent times Minichamps have also releases the 1/43 '82 Porsche 956 with R****** sponsorship - either supplied as seperate decals under the base plate in the case of the Standard Minichamps version or applied to the model in the case of the Porsche Dealer versions.

[ferrari fan]

Jager, the gentlenam that you are ,please be nice to BEV .
Biante CAN do nothing about it and cannot even have in their warehouse any of these cars without being fined very substantialy.
Exoto did the ferrari 641 with fagstickers and these were send back inmiditatly (spellcheck) and we ,the collectors, missed out.
I want to stay away from the Biante part of this subject, as there is nothing to gain.
before this insane leglislation came in even Bburago had toys/models with fagnames all over them which are now highly priced collector pieces Alfa bruno Giacomelli .:cool:

[jager]

Sorry - no critism of Biante was intended. I do fully understand that Biante can not make or sell Tobacco liveried models in AUstralia.

HOWEVER, there are other model manufacturers who can and will make Tobacco models as per the above evidence. My suggestion was therefore that to produce these models Biante 'suggest' to its international network of business partners like Autoart or Minichamps to make and sell them OUTSIDE of Australia. Aussie collectors can then decide if they want to go to the risk and expense of importing the models individually from overseas (as some of us do now with other brands !)

[Graeme]

Are there any model car collecting lawyers out there on the internet who know the relevant Australian laws on tobacco ?

I remember a couple of years back when people were afraid to show any cigarette labelled memorabilia in public or print - in particular I recall an old Marlboro sponsored HDT car, one of the A9X Toranas, with the offending signage covered over. It seems this aspect has been relaxed in recent times as these cars are now displayed openly and feature in new print magazines in an uncensored format.

[The real OZ GP]

How come my Exoto Ferraris' (312t2 , 312t4 641/2) all have tobbacco advertising on them and I bought them here ?

Now I am even more confused than usual ;)

[ferrari fan]

To ;The real Oz GP '
these models slipped through the net and are strickly speaking ,if sold here in AUS retail open to prosecution .You as a private collector are alowed to have them in your private possesion but cannot make them seen by the general public but the public can and do buy magazines where the pictures of the cars have got them(fagbranding) in their full glorie!!
same as you going trough a red light if caught ,you suffer
the retail outlet is not able to even stock these as far as I know.
It is just the fact that at one stage we the individual collector are put through the wringer and so the reailer/wholesaler and at the other end events and TV stations,newspapers and magazines are just sidestepping the law!. and giving us a taste/tease . luckily we are able to see the cars as they realy are intended to look in real livery:p

[admin]

Originally posted by jager
Sorry - no critism of Biante was intended. I do fully understand that Biante can not make or sell Tobacco liveried models in AUstralia.

HOWEVER, there are other model manufacturers who can and will make Tobacco models as per the above evidence. My suggestion was therefore that to produce these models Biante 'suggest' to its international network of business partners like Autoart or Minichamps to make and sell them OUTSIDE of Australia. Aussie collectors can then decide if they want to go to the risk and expense of importing the models individually from overseas (as some of us do now with other brands !)

PMA or Minichamps as you know them, do NOT make models with tobacco decals! Contrary to what has been said in this forum thread, since 95, no Minichamp models, other than the 1:8th F1 carbon fibre models, have had tobacco markings.

No one in their right mind will put decals under the baseplate, etc. You think Australia is tough on this...try France and Belgium. l think the punishment is imprisonment!!

Think we might run some business classes.

Why would I suggest my supplier breaks the law so you can buy your models from someone else and import an illegal product, while I comply with the law of the land??

Once and for all....pleeeeeeeeease ...........tobacco advertising on models is ILLEGAL..that means you can not do it in any form you think is obscure or sneaky enough to circumvent the law.

Jails are full of 'clever' idiots!!

[Grubby]

I think we have all been over this too many times before.

The law is the law and as much as we ( collectors ) disagree with this law it isn't going to change. ( probably not in our lifetime anyway )

I have to say that I would much rather Biante continue to make fantastic models that are accurate ( less the talked about advertising ) than we not get them at all.

At least this way we can make our own minds up if we want to keep the model in mint condition ( as released by Biante ) or apply a decal that a third party has made.

Biante keep up the good work.

Grubby

[jager]

Originally posted by admin


PMA or Minichamps as you know them, do NOT make models with tobacco decals! Contrary to what has been said in this forum thread, since 95, no Minichamp models, other than the 1:8th F1 carbon fibre models, have had tobacco markings.

No one in their right mind will put decals under the baseplate, etc. You think Australia is tough on this...try France and Belgium. l think the punishment is imprisonment!!



Admin - why do you continue to deny the existence of Minichamps Tobacco models ? Your post above is factually incorrect with several Minichamps tobacco models being released post 1995.

As recently as early 2001, Minichamps produced the '82 Rothmans Le Mans winner with the Rothmans decals supplied seperately under the base plate as per the attached a picture of the model in my collection. The model is 430 826501 and there are more details on page 49 of the 2001 catalogue. They also did the same with the 1983 Le Mans car - model # 430 836 503.

Interestingly my model was purchased from an Australian retailer (who I believe was supplied the model by Biante as per your silver sticker on the box). Perhaps you missed the decals ? ? ?

In lieu of an apology I'll take a $50 gift voucher !