Spot the differences > 1:18 Brock/Baird #05

[Graeme]

I've just checked out a 1:18 Brock/Baird VX #05 in a shop display, and apart from the much discussed Bob Jane T-Marts 1000 decal, I've noticed two other variations from the actual race car livery.

On the race car, the "Delphi" headlight covers had a solid gold background, and the "Holden" upper windscreen logo had the common red background.

It's a great looking model - possibly the best looking VX - but I'm curious whether anyone has spotted any other significant variations ?

[the_goldie]

I noticed that the bonnet has 4 pin clips instead of 2, which were on the presentation car and the Bathurst version so not sure why it still has 4?

Graeme - don't forget this is the car as it was presented to the press so the headlight covers and Holden logo would not have been known to BIANTE at the time of making the model.

Also on the Bathurst car they had another sponsor on the side skirts - Pioneer.

[Senator1]

Don't want to pick on a great model,probably the best yet, however checking photos i took at Bathurst the following differ
Stickers on the side skirting incorrect order & some missing, also the wording Autoart along the sides, the word "Auto & art" where it sits over the silver "A"in gold lettering was also done with a thick black border & the fuel tank did not have "Bridgestone" at bathurst it had "teambrock.com".

Before you all start making comments about tyre pressures etc, i'm in no way knocking this superb model.

Perhaps the model we have received is what was presented to Biante for the photo shoot & things were changed between then & race week

[Graeme]

Please fellas, I'm not knocking the Team Brock black machine.

I know that the model is based on the pre-race publicity release version of the race car; I'm just curious as to what changes took place to the appearance of the actual race car leading up to race Sunday.

I still reckon it's a great looking diecast model.

[ferrari fan]

the good all aussie sport ; cutting down something/one special
not played with the same verosity anywhere else in the world.

I don't want to; BUT/however You either do or do not ,you contradict in terms if you do not ,But then Do

I,personaly speaking, like this car very much and do not have any critisism on it AND It 'll do me nicely,thank you very much

I do not have any critisism at all to the posts below ,However.....but everybody can have there own oppinion and observations and there is nothing wrong in discussing it:D

This car model was available BEFORE the GREAT race even started!

[ferrari fan]

I actualy had a very good look at this model and realized that even the fresh airintakes (on the reardoors) are accuratly modelled and ,correct me if I am wrong ,this is the first time on a GM product
none of the other modelcars have them ,and this is VERY well done indeed. all the hoses are very accurate! and the window must have taken a few times to get it right.

[Aussiecollector]

It all depends on what it is being sold as;

is it a Team Brock 05 Bathurst presentation

or is it a Team Brock 05 Bathurst race car replica

if its being sold and represented as the latter then it is obvious that it is wrong.

I don't have this car yet so I don't know what the packaging states. Lets just hope that the names and the colour are spelt right on the car, certificate and the packaging.

Glenn

[ferrari fan]

This model is being sold under the text of what is printed on the certificate;
"This is to certify that this model of the "Team Brock" vx commodore is a limited edition of 8000 produced to mark the occasion of 30 years since Peter Brock's first of nine wins and his last drive at "The Mountain on oktober 13th 2002."
So draw your own conclusions on what pretext this great model is being marketed.
and No mistakes anywhere!?
:p maybe only in my typing

[Aussiecollector]

Well done FF, thanks for the info, I have you at 2 mistakes, October is with a "C" in the southern hemisphere.

Seriously though, thanks as I will not get mine until Monday so now I know what I am getting. It should look good amongst the sea of read and white Commodores in my Commodore cabinet.

Glenn

[admin]

This car was made to be at Bathurst for the return of Peter Brock 30 years after his first win and to mark his last start at the mountain.
AA did the model and from data that was "set in concrete" in August.
If anyone can tell me how a model car can be on sale the Thursday before the race and yet still have stickers on it that were put on right up to practise on the Friday, I would like to know.
The 1:43rd model of the 'race' car to mark the last drive obviously will be accurate....but it wont be out before the race.
I think they did a fantastic job, right down to the left hand refuelling nozzles and pipes....and it is one of the better looking models for this year.

[ferrari fan]

Another "advice "on the packaging;
#Detailed scale model for adult collectors#(only)!:D

[Esses]

Hey Admin, you're really tempting me to get one of the 1/43's, when they eventually get here. If so, I'll just have to get a Green-Eyed-Monster too, to balance up.

[Rob]

The process of designing liveries isn't as straight forward as many
of you would believe. With the "final" design chosen from numerous examples, this design is continually refined until everyone is happy.
Then converting a 2D design onto a 3D surface brings with it it's own
dramasand limitiations, so things often change.

In the case of the Brock car, it was designed in August with the
deadline to make the Biante model squarley in mind. So even
though it was signed off, as it appears in the model, changes
were still made even on the Fridayof the event.

Holden weren't happy with the black window strips and thus were
changed prior to going to Bathurst. This included changing the poster
image aswell!!! Pioneer were a late addition to the sponsor list and
Delphi prefered the option on the lights as seen on the race car.

As they say hindsight is a wonderful thing. Biante could have waited
until after the event to realease the model and perhaps everything
would have been right, but then again people wouldn't have had the
opportunity to have Peter sign it there and then......

[Graeme]

I noticed Rob reckons Holden weren't happy with the Brock car wearing their windsreen logo with a black background.

This weekend at Surfers I noticed that other black Commodore, Team Kiwi, wearing the white lettered Holden logo over the (black) bonnet with their major sponsor - Vodaphone - across the
windscreen.

Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing #021 on the Biante model list.

[Rob]

Team Kiwi aren't officially a Holden Australia supported
team and thus run Vodefone on the windscreen. (As they
have done since day one)

As for the Holden on the bonnet at Indy I think
you'll find it's support from Holden New Zealand.

[Graeme]

It's interesting that Ford don't apply the same conformist approach with it's teams vis-a-vis corpoate logos !!

[Rob]

That's something that has annoyed me.

I think it would look really smart to see
all Ford's running with "FALCON" window
strips as per T-Car while the Holden's in
traditional red (or black as per some 2003
livery concepts) next year.

But it seems most Ford team's have allocated
this spot to prime sponsors and thus would
need to relocate them without diminishing their
value. Good Luck!!!

Maybe it should be in the Avesco regs???

[Pushrod]

After only a quick glance I picked up the following,
Holden decals on window screen are the wrong colour.
Series stickers are the wrong colour on the rear doors.
Series stickers on frount doors wrong.
Bob Jane t-marts stickers missing.
Stickers in wrong place on the frount spoiler.
No passenger side mirror.
Autoart grafix wrong.

Maby there are more, I dont know,but it' still a very good model and as an added bonus it's got the MAN's name on the rear side windows.

[wacpt]

Pushrod

Do you have a reading deficiency. In previous posts, Admin states this car was designed in August. The actual car paint and sponsorship changed since then. If you can figure a way of releasing a model that is made overseas before an event that is 100% accurate, then I'm sure Biante would love to know.

There will be always be differences since some things are changed the day before the race.

Wake-up and read before you write.

[Graeme]

There's no need to burst a blood vessel WACPT.

I'm sure most of us are aware of the production schedule situation for the 1:18 scale VX #05, and that it was inevitable the visual presentation of the race car would change come Bathurst race day.

I started this thread simply to establish to what extent appearance items did change.
I was not seeking to criticise Biante, AUTOart, or the model itself.

I think the reading deficiencies lie elsewhere.

[Glen Alexander]

I didn't read if anyone noticed another difference, but the '05' decal on the door is different. On the 'Presentation' car the white outline of the 05 is plain white, on the race car it is a reflective pearly colour.

The model as admin said is of the first release of the car, race livery is obviously going to be different.

[Graeme]

Well spotted Glenn.

I thought I noticed a hologram effect on the "05" door number during a pitstop sequence, but wasn't absolutely sure about it.

Looks like I'll be searching on the VCR this weekend !

[Rob]

The "O5" background is in fact created using
holographic vinyl that looks real trick in the flesh.

I would imagine it would be extremely difficult
and expensive for Biante the reproduce this effect.

[mic]

I just checked my "Motor Racing Australia" magazine (Sep/Oct issue), On the cover it has a photo of Brock with the VX during the launch of the car. You can clearly see the hologram effect on this photo, but if you look at more photos in the magazine you can't pick the hologram effect.

I was at Bathurst and have to say that unless you are very close to the car, it's very difficult to see the hologram effect. Maybe people from the Autoart factory couldn't pick up the effect by looking at computer images?

Anyway this VX is still a great looking car, best livery on any VX/VT models. This model has become the new centerpiece of my collection since Bathurst.

I took some photos during the race so if anyone's interested send me an email. I will forward those photos to you.

mkuo@bigpond.com

[mic]

By the way I wonder if the “05� on the roof also has the same hologram effect???

[brchi17]

Do we really need the words 'Falcon' & 'Holden' on the cars ?
Holden has its name on the windsceen as part of a sponsorships arrangement and most of the Fords have the blue oval just above the windscreen on the roof.

I don't think that the V8's should run a standard windscreen bannor on them like the Procar cars do, as I think it looks rather borring.

I still think the cars should have their #'s on the bonnet rather than the windscreen too - but that is another subject !!!!

Free reign should remain in the V8's as to what is put where, as the windscreen is a prime spot for the teams sponsors - anyway most people can tell the difference between a Commodore & a Falcon. Do we need to continue to insult spectators intellengce by putting Falcon & Holden the cars - I don't think so !!!!
cheers.

[Rob]

Originally posted by mic
By the way I wonder if the “05� on the roof also has the same hologram effect???

Just to put the subject to rest,
the make up of the Brock machine was as follows:

Â¥ The car is the same car used in QLD500.
Â¥ The roof was painted black and the panels
from the "presentation car" were bolted on.
Â¥ All "O5"'s were in holographic vinyl
Â¥ All white logo's were in reflective vinyl (as per red car)
Â¥ Other colours used were gold and silver.
Â¥ The Holden banner strips were changed prior
to the start of weekend after Holden rejected
the black versions.
Â¥ Delphi on the lights were changed back to the
same format as per TWR lights.
Â¥ Pioneer was a late inclusion and didn't go on
the car's side skirts until Friday of race week.
Â¥ Bathurst logo wasn't issued until Wednesday.
Â¥ A bolder outline was put around Autoart after
the original was deemed too light.

Everthing else is as per how the car was designed
back in August. Any other "errors" are in your imagination.

[Graeme]

Who is the mysterious Rob ?

He's obviously " in the know ", but his Biante Profile holds no personal information. Is he an AVESCO secret agent ?

[Grubby]

I'd say he is a graphics guru of some description. He seems to know a lot about team livery's.

Rob probably does do some work for teams and I think it's great that he contributes to the forum. Even if his comments sometimes seem to tease us as he can not tell the whole story.

Better than nothing at all though.

Keep up the good work Rob.

Grubby

[Aussiecollector]

Is'nt he the guy who created the one off HRT colour scheme that was supposed to run at QLD 500.

He must be a Holden guy to have so much info on all of the Holden teams.

Glenn

[Rob]

Boy, its good to keep you guys guessing!!!

One thing, I am not the rumored Avesco
secret agent - but I do know him!!!

[Graeme]

Who is Rob ??

One thing for sure, he's not the Messiah; he's a very naughty boy !!

[Glen Alexander]

Is he part of a terrorist organisation planning an action against V8 Supercars???

Can we trust this man???

Time will tell!!!!!!!!

[Pushrod]

Arf Arf, not an Oz_ _ _ is it ?.:confused:

[chups]

He works for/runs a graphic design company that designs alot of the teams paint schemes i think. just from what ive pickes up here and there.

also, while were talking about errors on brock cars, on the VR, the dividers on the front air intake (dividing the main air and brake air inlets) on the model they are flat on the front and on the real car they curve. and no tow hitch on the front. (also does anyone know whats with the clear orange indicator type bits just infront of the tyres where i thought the screws for the front bumper went?) two minor errors missed on the prototype from all the other stuff they picked up isnt bad. i still hold it as one of their best models about equal with the win/percy VL. the two best models, closely followed by the RED clubsport.

keep up the good work cant wait for the next old commodore and the GTS-R

[Aussiecollector]

Rob are you from Melbourne?

If so are you with Signzone?

Just my guess based on info so far

Glenn

[Earnhardt-3]

GTS-R, Chups?

Biante better just make one for you, because I reckon they could be a slight sales disaster!! :p

YUK! Those black wheels.... aaarrrghh! :eek:

[Glen Alexander]

If they made a GTS-R I'd buy it straight away, it might not be the prettiest looking HSV, but it's a HSV. Personally, a Cherry Black VS Clubsport would take centre stage in my collection. Hell, if they make

[Rocket]

Originally posted by admin
This car was made to be at Bathurst for the return of Peter Brock 30 years after his first win and to mark his last start at the mountain.
AA did the model and from data that was "set in concrete" in August.
If anyone can tell me how a model car can be on sale the Thursday before the race and yet still have stickers on it that were put on right up to practise on the Friday, I would like to know.
The 1:43rd model of the 'race' car to mark the last drive obviously will be accurate....but it wont be out before the race.
I think they did a fantastic job, right down to the left hand refuelling nozzles and pipes....and it is one of the better looking models for this year.

Does this leave the door open to release a "Brock 2002 Bathurst Authentic version"? If so, put me down for an order.

Rocket

[Rob]

Originally posted by Aussiecollector
Rob are you from Melbourne?

If so are you with Signzone?

Just my guess based on info so far

Glenn

I run Creative Options a dedicated motorsport
graphic design company which (although seperately
owned) is housed inside SignZone. We are based
in Lilydale Victoria and service most of the Victorian
based race teams including leading V8 Supercar teams.

I have no official ties to any manufacturer, although to
date most of my clients have been involved with Holdens.

I would also like to point out that I am not a spokes person
for Biante/AutoArt either and my comments in the forums are
independent from those at Biante.

Happy Collecting

[Aussiecollector]

Bingo,

Thanks Rob I knew I was close.

Glenn

Keep pushing for different liveries for 2003

[Yogi]

Not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but on the actual race car the "05" on the driver's door is a different shape compared to that on the passenger side. On the passenger side the numbers are upright, while on the driver's side they are tilted forward (or down) in line with the the words "Autoart". I checked both sides on several photos. The model has the numbers upright on both doors.
I've attached a photo I took at Bathurst which shows the tilted numbers on the driver's door.

Peter

[wombat]

Thanks Rob

Keep the info coming, its heaps better than thrashing around rumours that end up nowhere.

Keep teasing with those snippets of facts.

[Rob]

Yogi

Nice photo!!

As far as I am aware the numbers on both sides are
as per my design. I have only got the 1/64 scale version
here in my office and it's right as per the real car.
I doubt this design differs form the 1/18th scale???

[brchi17]

So Rob,
how about sheding some light on the 2003 colours of some of those VY's racers ?????