Dick Johnson Mustang

[XA Craig]

Are there any plans to produce a Dick Johnson Greens Tuff Mustang in 1:18 scale?

Surely the Dick Johnson Collection isn't complete without this car? Every other car he drove has been produced except his Mustang

Craig

[fordmad17]

Its on the Dick Johnson Collection list in the FAQ section

[brchi17]

Are there any plans to produce a Dick Johnson Greens Tuff Mustang in 1:18 scale?

Surely the Dick Johnson Collection isn't complete without this car? Every other car he drove has been produced except his Mustang

No wanting to be picky Craig, but do you remember the EB Falcon :D LOL :D !!!

That said, you're right, it's a very important car & one which I'm sure a lot of people would love in their collection, myself included ;)

So considering Dick drove a few different Mustangs during the mid 80's which would you like to see made ?

[XA Craig]

No wanting to be picky Craig, but do you remember the EB Falcon :D LOL :D !!!

That said, you're right, it's a very important car & one which I'm sure a lot of people would love in their collection, myself included ;)

So considering Dick drove a few different Mustangs during the mid 80's which would you like to see made ?

The later version would be great, and yes the bathurst winning EB would also be a welcomed addition :)

[Pug205]

I think everyone know my feelings on this subject :(

See my signature below if your still unsure :)

[spoonster05]

The Johnson Mustang would look great, something a little different to the Falcons and Sierras DJ drove, would like to see it in the JPS colours in ran in NZ as well..

[XA Craig]

Its on the Dick Johnson Collection list in the FAQ section

Drew, tried your suggestion. this comes up "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

Have just found it under the "search" section :)

Here's the list if anyone hasnt seen it
(R) - Released

DICK JOHNSON COLLECTION:

1.A87366 - #4 HOLDEN LJ TORANA GTR XU-1 - Group C - 1973 (R)
2. - FORD XB GT FALCON - Bathurst - 1977
3.A87810 - FORD XC COBRA - Bathurst - 1978
4.A87611 - #17 FORD XC FALCON - Lakeside - ATCC - 1979 (R)
5.B180201 - #17 FORD XD FALCON - Bathurst- 1980 (R)
6.TR8009 - #17 FORD XD FALCON - Bathurst Winner - 1981 (R)
7. #17 FORD XE FALCON - Bathurst - 1982 (R)
8.B180301A - #17 FORD XE FALCON - Bathurst - 1983 (R)
9.TR8008 - #17 FORD XE FALCON - Bathurst - 1984 (R)
10. - FORD MUSTANG GT - Bathurst - 1986
11.B888017 - #17 FORD SIERRA RS500 - ATCC Winner - 1988 (R)
12.B188917 - #17 FORD SIERRA RS500 - Bath. Winner - 1988 (R)
13.TR8003 - #17 FORD AU FALCON - Bathurst - 1999 (R)
14.180101K - #17 FORD AU FALCON - Queensland 500 - 2000 (R)

Craig

[fomoco04]

Why stop with just the 86 Stang, didn't he race one in 85 as well? Im not sure about 87, was that a Mustang or the first Sierra?

Dicks bathurst collection is not complete without a version from EVERY year. Im sure that originally the 82 car was not listed for production but weight of numbers made Biante change their minds. The more poeple saying what they would like to see the more chance of getting the complete collections etc

[XA Craig]

The Johnson Mustang would look great, something a little different to the Falcons and Sierras DJ drove, would like to see it in the JPS colours in ran in NZ as well..

There is a 1:24 version of the JPS car. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Dick-Johnson-MUSTANG-RACE-CAR-MODEL-1-24-BLACK-NZ_W0QQitemZ6981693669QQihZ014QQcategoryZ223QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Craig

[XA Craig]

Why stop with just the 86 Stang, didn't he race one in 85 as well? Im not sure about 87, was that a Mustang or the first Sierra?

Dicks bathurst collection is not complete without a version from EVERY year. Im sure that originally the 82 car was not listed for production but weight of numbers made Biante change their minds. The more poeple saying what they would like to see the more chance of getting the complete collections etc

fomoco04, there was definetely a 85' mustang. looked similar to the 86', but had a different front grill and tail lights from memory.

The attached link is a pic of the 86' model I found on ePay http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1986-Dick-Johnson-Ford-Mustang-photo_W0QQitemZ270008545017QQihZ017QQcategoryZ5997 5QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Cheers,
Craig

[brchi17]

Why stop with just the 86 Stang, didn't he race one in 85 as well? Im not sure about 87, was that a Mustang or the first Sierra?

In 1987 Dick started running the Sierra.

[Esses]

I'll settle for 1/43 but they're nearly always WAAY behind 1/18 & 1/64 anyway!:( I'd love the EB, EF & Mustangs. Also, didn't he also race an old EH Holden before the XU-1? Now there's a project, or should Trax take it on?:D

[malscar]

There was also a FJ. Hmmm Biante already have a Humpy mould.

[singer]

[quote=Esses]I'll settle for 1/43 but they're nearly always WAAY behind 1/18 & 1/64 anyway!:( I'd love the EB, EF & Mustangs. Also, didn't he also race an old EH Holden before the XU-1? Now there's a project, or should Trax take it on?/quote]

Been done by AMM:) :eek:

[Graeme]

In 1984, Dick arranged to purchase two 1983 spec Mustang GTs from Zakspeed of Europe, with the first of these cars making it downunder in time to be entered and qualify at the 1984 James Hardie 1000 - the white #71 Mustang was basically on-hand just in case Dick's #17 Falcon went tree climbing again.

The Mustang GT in Group A trim received a performance update later in 1985 and cosmetically this involved an update front nosecone with letterbox-style grille opening and a deeper chin section incorporating auxilliary driving lights. A few engine freedoms upped the power output from a measly 220kW to around 260kW, but Dick always complained that the 'stang never had enough power to match its inherently good chassis dynamics.

A little-known story is that a degree of lobbying was being done at Bathurst in 1985 in an effort to get Allan Moffat behind the wheel of the spare #18 Palmer Tube Mills Mustang GT - in the end, Moff got to sample many of the cars in practice in his new role as a Channel Seven commentator for the Great Race.

[beast]

The Mustang GT in Group A trim received a performance update later in 1985 and cosmetically this involved an update front nosecone with letterbox-style grille opening and a deeper chin section incorporating auxilliary driving lights. A few engine freedoms upped the power output from a measly 220kW to around 260kW, but Dick always complained that the 'stang never had enough power to match its inherently good chassis dynamics.

A little-known story is that a degree of lobbying was being done at Bathurst in 1985 in an effort to get Allan Moffat behind the wheel of the spare #18 Palmer Tube Mills Mustang GT - in the end, Moff got to sample many of the cars in practice in his new role as a Channel Seven commentator for the Great Race.

August 1, 1985 to be exact. The Nissan team hoped to have the DR30 Skyline homolagated on that day so did Peter Brock with the full Group A spec Commodore, but only Dick got what he wanted. His first race with the new bits at Oran Park for the 100 lapper he blew them away until the wheel parted company with the car.

Would have been good to see Allan Moffat in the Mustang during the race with someone like Klaus Ludwig or Andy Rouse co driving for him.

[Dingo]

A little-known story is that a degree of lobbying was being done at Bathurst in 1985 in an effort to get Allan Moffat behind the wheel of the spare #18 Palmer Tube Mills Mustang GT - in the end, Moff got to sample many of the cars in practice in his new role as a Channel Seven commentator for the Great Race.
Even less known is why #18 didn't run the 1000...

[Goodwrench3]

Even less known is why #18 didn't run the 1000...

And I'm sure you'll elaborate at some point real soon.

I'm sure Biante will do both the 85 and 86 cars at some point.
And it always WAS their intention to do the EB's at some stage. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and suggest that Biante have had a lot on their plate of recent years.....

[awawaw]

Even less known is why #18 didn't run the 1000...


back in those days the rules were different. like a football team naming the team the morring of the match. both cars were entered, but with no one to drive #18

[Graeme]

Just to clarify, apart from the body update, the August 1985 homologation update components for the Mustang GT included the following :
1) roller camshaft and valve timing amendments
2) specific tubular exhaust headers
3) an extended variety of homologated gear ratios
4) larger diameter disc brakes

As to Bathurst 1985 tactics, Dick Johnson took two cars for insurance purposes, as he had done the previous year (as did also the Moffat and Grice camps in 1984). To top things off, Dick Johnson in car #17 and co-driver Larry Perkins in car #18 qualified both Mustangs into the top ten for Hardies Heroes.

Despite rumours of car #18 being handed over to Allan Moffat and Michel Delcourt for the race, the car's entry for the actual race was scratched by the official cut-off time of 2.00pm on the Saturday afternoon. It was never actually intended for the Palmer Tube Mills team to run two cars in the race.

[Dingo]

Despite rumours of car #18 being handed over to Allan Moffat and Michel Delcourt for the race, the car's entry for the actual race was scratched by the official cut-off time of 2.00pm on the Saturday afternoon. It was never actually intended for the Palmer Tube Mills team to run two cars in the race.
My understanding was that there was also noises being made about the legality of #18[1] and that they couldn't run the car if they had wanted to...

[1] Great Race 5, LP's comments, dragged from my rusty memory...

[Dragferret]

For those interested Dinkum Classics did the Mustang in 1:43 and 1:24 in black or green race versions. I've got a 1:43 in green. Some might think they're primitive models by today's standards but there was nothing else around then. They also did Moffat's '69 Boss in 1:43. I put Minilite type wheels on mine and it looks great.

[amiers]

the #18 Mustang had a illegal exhaust on it, and there was a lack of money for Moffat to drive.

[XR8]

For those interested Dinkum Classics did the Mustang in 1:43 and 1:24 in black or green race versions. I've got a 1:43 in green. Some might think they're primitive models by today's standards but there was nothing else around then. They also did Moffat's '69 Boss in 1:43. I put Minilite type wheels on mine and it looks great.

If you ever see any more of these around, let me know please.
The DJR cars that is!

Ed :)

[Esses]

[quote=Esses]I'll settle for 1/43 but they're nearly always WAAY behind 1/18 & 1/64 anyway!:( I'd love the EB, EF & Mustangs. Also, didn't he also race an old EH Holden before the XU-1? Now there's a project, or should Trax take it on?/quote]

Been done by AMM:) :eek:

Showing my ignorance, but who???:)

[singer]

If you ever see any more of these around, let me know please.
The DJR cars that is!

Ed :)

Ed,

If you want the DJR Mustangs, AMM do Both the Bathurst & ATCC cars in 1:43

AMM: Australian Motoring Miniatures
Their address is: Po Box 96, MONA VALE NSW 1660

Phone No: 02 99972270

[rehau]

Ed,

If you want the DJR Mustangs, AMM do Both the Bathurst & ATCC cars in 1:43

AMM: Australian Motoring Miniatures
Their address is: Po Box 96, MONA VALE NSW 1660

Phone No: 02 99972270

how much do they retail for??
what is their quality like

[singer]

how much do they retail for??
what is their quality like

$80-$90 Resin cast quality good:)

or they use as a base other models sometimes:)

[XR8]

Thanks for the info Singer.
I rang them today, and they are going to send me some pix of the cars.
I will most likely be adding these to my collection, due to the hand-made aspect of the cars.

Ed :)

[Moffat Fan]

didn't he also race an old EH Holden before the XU-1? Now there's a project, or should Trax take it on?:D

Acording to Dick there wil be an EH and another XU-1.

[Goodwrench3]

Acording to Dick there wil be an EH and another XU-1.

Hopefully the red #17 EH and the #17 Peter Shearer Menswear XU-1 from 1975.

[beast]

the #18 Mustang had a illegal exhaust on it.

Well, it passed scruitneering.

What, the scruitneer didn't do his job properly.

[biante1478]

A picture of the Dinkum Mustang(s) mentioned earlier.

[beast]

Can someone approve the pic so we can see it.

[Graeme]

Bathurst 1985 and the suggestion regarding car #18 was that it was running a non-homologated exhaust header arrangement - remember that in Group A the exhaust system was 'free' after the first join from the manifold/header.

From what I've read, car #18 was actually the #17 ATCC car (ie the original #71 car from Bathurst 1984).

Further, it's not The Stig sitting behind the wheel of car #18 ....

[Leigh]

Well, it passed scruitneering.

What, the scruitneer didn't do his job properly.
Didn't the Texaco Sierra's also pass scrutineering?

Come to think of it, the Perkins cars (of 2005?) passed scrutineering for four or five rounds before they were picked up as being "outside" the rulles...funny how they were off the pace for the next few rounds;)

Passing scrutineering doesn't prevent a protest;), nor does it mean the scrutineers got it right:eek:

[Dingo]

Well, it passed scruitneering.

What, the scruitneer didn't do his job properly.
IIRC there was an arrangement that the car would pass scruitineering under the full knowledge that the car was not to be entered into official qualifying or the race itself (can someone confirm?)

[beast]

Didn't the Texaco Sierra's also pass scrutineering?

Come to think of it, the Perkins cars (of 2005?) passed scrutineering for four or five rounds before they were picked up as being "outside" the rulles...funny how they were off the pace for the next few rounds;)

Passing scrutineering doesn't prevent a protest;), nor does it mean the scrutineers got it right:eek:

Don't forget the Texaco Sierra's passed scruitineering from round 2 of wtcc at Dijon onwards, but they didn't pass at Monza though.

And Marcos Ambrose at QR in 2004, there was a protest on that car aswell.

Do you all remember Bathurst 88, TW prtoest on a pile of Sierra because his British built Commodore couldn't keep up.

Im not knocking the british built car, it won the race in 1990, (Holdens greatest victory). A lot of it is, someone doesn't like what another person has done to their car legally, because they didn't think of it first.

[inter]

Dear all,
did not mean to hijack the thread ( i thought i started a new one, My apologies)

About a month ago on ebay a guy was selling the dick johnson sierra ATTC for $500 buy it now.
the listing said something like this:
johnson sierra bathurst champion rare.


I emailed him saying that that listing is confusing and people might get it mixed up with the bathurst winner,

is first anwser was that he won bathurst and it is not a missprint.

2nd email to him was that the car is only worth $150 at best
His anwser was " are you a F^%$1ng whatch dog"

my 3rd email was " as a matter of fact i do keep a record of sales "

his response was basically " F off"

lucky he did not sell the car at that price.

I showed what happened to my better half and she told me that it was incorrect to stick my nose into this matter????

first reaction to my wife was not the best.......... but later she told me that i could be effecting business who are already struggling with my record keeping and (basically biting the hand that feeds me).

She could be correct, if i am educating newbies and other prospective customers. Diecast shops cold due to me be making less money on models and hence making it harder for them.

I would like comment from forum members that are business owners, maybe even from admin.

Then maybe i am kidding my self in thinking that i make a difference???????

[VXfan]

Dear all,
did not mean to hijack the thread ( i thought i started a new one, My apologies)

About a month ago on ebay a guy was selling the dick johnson sierra ATTC for $500 buy it now.
the listing said something like this:
johnson sierra bathurst champion rare.


I emailed him saying that that listing is confusing and people might get it mixed up with the bathurst winner,

is first anwser was that he won bathurst and it is not a missprint.

2nd email to him was that the car is only worth $150 at best
His anwser was " are you a F^%$1ng whatch dog"

my 3rd email was " as a matter of fact i do keep a record of sales "

his response was basically " F off"

lucky he did not sell the car at that price.

I showed what happened to my better half and she told me that it was incorrect to stick my nose into this matter????

first reaction to my wife was not the best.......... but later she told me that i could be effecting business who are already struggling with my record keeping and (basically biting the hand that feeds me).

She could be correct, if i am educating newbies and other prospective customers. Diecast shops cold due to me be making less money on models and hence making it harder for them.

I would like comment from forum members that are business owners, maybe even from admin.

Then maybe i am kidding my self in thinking that i make a difference???????
U can make money without ripping people off.If people want to charge stupid prices for these models,I really don't care if they lose business.
Carry on Inter,ur doing a fine job mate.:)
Cheers,
Tony.

[Leigh]

U can make money without ripping people off.If people want to charge stupid prices for these models,I really don't care if they lose business.
Carry on Inter,ur doing a fine job mate.:)
Cheers,
Tony.
Agreed

[vikings100]

Hi guys , I'm looking for a picture of the rear of the 1985 DJ Mustang, any help would be appreciated.

Cheers Greg:)

[Leigh]

Have you tried Autopics:p

http://ftw.msys.dyndns.org/cpg/albums/djr/normal_D CP_0110.jpg

http://ftw.msys.dyndns.org/cpg/albums/djr/normal_D CP_0121.jpg

I hope when they make the model, they get the overspray underneath LOL

[vikings100]

Leigh, you are a champ, nice overspray too.:D

Cheers Greg:)

[Leigh]

You better just wait for Brad to confirm that it is the 85 and not the 86 Muzzie LOL

[brchi17]

yes it is the 85 ;)

[brchi17]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/brchi17/DJR%2 0pictures/djr198503oranpark.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/brchi17/DJR%2 0pictures/djr198507calder.jpg

they're all I've got of the rear, but they've shots I've either scanned from the Great race books or found floating around on the net ;)

[vikings100]

Between the back window and the rear wing, is that just "17"?

Cheers Greg:confused:

[brchi17]

Between the back window and the rear wing, is that just "17"?

Cheers Greg:confused:

not sure, but it's more likely to be a fuel filler

below is the only aerial pic I have, but it's from Bathurst 85
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/brchi17/DJR%2 0pictures/djr198510bathurstbp.jpg

[malscar]

Greg, are you looking at ATCC or Bathurst?

[vikings100]

ATCC mate.

Cheers Greg:)

[brchi17]

Early or late 85 ?

[vikings100]

Does it really matter?:p

Cheers Greg:)

[brchi17]

Does it really matter?:p

Cheers Greg:)

well there are differences between the two, just want to make sure you get it right ;)

[vikings100]

Near enough is good enough mate, it's only for my personal collection.;)

Cheers Greg:)

[Leigh]

If that's the case, I think you could've just painted a car (any car) green and written Tuf on it:p

[vikings100]

No thanks mate, took me ages to find the right car, but all good now.

Cheers Greg:)

[Leigh]

If you taken the time to track down the right car, you might as well give it the right livery:(

[porsche956]

Between the back window and the rear wing, is that just "17"?

Cheers Greg:confused:

It's actually a big CAMS logo, just like the one on the roof of the '85 Richards 635CSi. In fact, it should be exactly the same size.

[david5]

Mate whats your donor car,what scale. Have you seen the AUSCAR MODELS version in 1/24. They were a code 3 done by a chap in a shop at the Birdwood museum in SA . He did the Mustang & JPS 635. Ive got the BMW based on a burago road car,he cast a race seat,dry brake fuel fillers & fabricated roll cage,nice BBS wheels out of alloy. I bought mine in 89 from the shop,they were the ducks guts back then.

Cheers David

[malscar]

David, AUSCAR did a few different cars, I have the JPS one and the Spa winner from '85 in the see through scheme. He also did limited runs of decals and parts.

[BILLFORD1]

The #17 by Auscar was also a Bburago 1/24. I visited one day & checked them out. Short on cash at that particular time & when I got back to it, the run had all been sold (300). So got hold of the same model & half did my own at a later stage. Still not finished however, relegated to the "projects to be completed before I croak" list !!:D Also, off thread a fraction but another DJ on the list I cannot seem to find in my cabinets is the 1977 #13 Bathurst XB...........

[Nedwob]

If anyone is interested, the late 85-86 DJR Stang (#2) is on display at the Bathurst museum atm. She's a fair way off period correct with an eclectic mix of 85-86 livery, componentry, etc... So prob' not a good model for your model. Nice old car though. DJR Stang #1 (84 Bathurst, 85 ATCC) will be restored hopefully later this year & should be very sharp!

[f1webber]

If anyone is interested, the late 85-86 DJR Stang (#2) is on display at the Bathurst museum atm. She's a fair way off period correct with an eclectic mix of 85-86 livery, componentry, etc... So prob' not a good model for your model. Nice old car though. DJR Stang #1 (84 Bathurst, 85 ATCC) will be restored hopefully later this year & should be very sharp!

Cheers Mate

I have a soft spot for the old DJ Mustangs.
Which one of the above was once in NZ and run as a V8 ride / drive car by Richard Lester at Manfeild?
I seem to recall they put a set of flares on it and it looked like a sports sedan.

[NO.5HDT]

www.nzmustang.com/History/Racecars/jps.htm (http://www.nzmustang.com/History/Racecars/jps.htm ) has a couple of photos of the 'Stang in JPS colours

[XA Craig]

www.nzmustang.com/History/Racecars/jps.htm (http://www.nzmustang.com/History/Racecars/jps.htm ) has a couple of photos of the 'Stang in JPS colours

that looks pretty :cool: in JPS colours :D

another reason to justify a mould ;)

Cheers,
Craig

[Kenseth17]

that looks pretty :cool: in JPS colours :D

another reason to justify a mould ;)

Cheers,
Craig

It's funny how tastes change over the the years. I didn't like it much at the time as I missed the big Falcons and this was so 'foreign' to me, but over time this car has become a classic and I would love to have the Green 85 and 86 cars in my collection. If the JPS became available, then that too would go in. I know there was a thread some time back about his 1985 XE Falcon he ran in the Auckland street race. That too would be another to add.

[XA Craig]

I'd be interested to see a pic of DJ's Auckland XE :D

[Graeme]

I think you'll find that was the Kiwi Anderson Brothers' XE Falcon that Dick Johnson drove by invitation - not a Group C car nor a Group A car, but with a standard body profile it looked to be the sort of Group A car that Dick could've/should've raced in Australia in 1985.

[NO.5HDT]

Was just talking to Bruce Anderson about his Mustangs and XE's at Manfeild for the NZV8's yesterday. He was stoked to have done a few laps in of the Muzzy's when he was invited to about 6 months ago.
The XE was destroyed when it got stolen from his (Pinepac) timber yard. He was saying Dick had it really wound up, but the diff and brakes couldn't take much of a caning being standard

[KiwiRallyFan]

I may have some photos from the Wellington street race. I'll have a look this evening.

[KiwiRallyFan]

FYI, I couldn't find any decent photos of this car.

[Goodwrench3]

I think you'll find that was the Kiwi Anderson Brothers' XE Falcon that Dick Johnson drove by invitation - not a Group C car nor a Group A car, but with a standard body profile it looked to be the sort of Group A car that Dick could've/should've raced in Australia in 1985.

That would have been the stillborn XF Turbo program wouldn't it Graeme? Lack of Financial support killed it from memory. Would have been an interesting car.

[david5]

That would have been the stillborn XF Turbo program wouldn't it Graeme? Lack of Financial support killed it from memory. Would have been an interesting car.

No it was a unique NZ based interpretation of Gp A rules 351 from NZ team,Dick guest driving

Cheers David

[Nedwob]

Cheers Mate

I have a soft spot for the old DJ Mustangs.
Which one of the above was once in NZ and run as a V8 ride / drive car by Richard Lester at Manfeild?
I seem to recall they put a set of flares on it and it looked like a sports sedan.

The NZ car was DJR #1, it was also the JPS car and raced in Europe as a Zakspeed car too! Shame about the ignominous end at the driving school, but it will be sharp again soon.

[Goodwrench3]

No it was a unique NZ based interpretation of Gp A rules 351 from NZ team,Dick guest driving

Cheers David

Thats not what I was referring to David. In late '83 early '84 Dick was working with Ford Oz on a turbo Falcon to homologate so he could go racing with the home grown product when Group A came in in 1985. I'll check the ref books and be back.

[david5]

Thats not what I was referring to David. In late '83 early '84 Dick was working with Ford Oz on a turbo Falcon to homologate so he could go racing with the home grown product when Group A came in in 1985. I'll check the ref books and be back.

Sorry I thought you asked if the car that he raced in NZ was the turbo car.There are some good references & photos in "The Unforgiving Minute" of the Turbo cars. The guy who did the earthwork for my house traded his XB GT in on one of the DJR turbo cars here at the local Ford garage & hated it,went to get his GT back & theyd already sold it to the local HWP copper. No guts & terrible lag.

Cheers David

[Tumbo]

I know this thread is a long time quiet but wondering if anyone had pictures of the back rear bumper sponsers and the rear of this car? (the 17 JPS) cheers

[NO.5HDT]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8021817@N07/278667997 0/in/set-72157606711071500/
There are a couple of the JPS Mustang here

[XA Craig]

With all the new announcements of late, surely a DJ Mustang of some description must be on the cards?

Same goes for XAGT sedans, HZ/HX utes get priority :confused::confused:

[cobra1978]

With all the new announcements of late, surely a DJ Mustang of some description must be on the cards?

Same goes for XAGT sedans, HZ/HX utes get priority :confused::confused:


yes mate i second that where is the DJR Mustang all the money to build the 1/10 FG Falcon we should be seeing the mustang in all its different livery's

[sleepy]

I would like to see the mustang that dick raced at surfers 84 i think it was or could be 83 anyway its the one with skid marks on the drivers seat from when it started to rain and dick nearly lost it trying to keep up with jimmy and brocky lol.

[BILLFORD1]

Concur on the DJR Mustangs....Oh and with the new Re-jigged XB Models coming over the horizon sometime in the future, I sure hope we may FINALLY see the missing 1977 XB #13 DJR Bathurst car ??????.... (Not to mention, for more than the 53rd time, the "Pie-In-Ear" Ron Dickson XBGT !!!)....:D

[Maq]

77 needs to be done, but I do not want any more previous shapes done any time soon.
EB2 and Stang first please

[SWRT]

Some missing DJ cars in my option are -
Johnson/Schuppan 1977 Bathurst All Scales
Johnson/Scott 1979 Bathurst All Scales
Johnson/French 1982 Bathurst 1/64
Johnson 1982 ATCC Winner 1/43
Johnson 1981 ATCC Winner 1/43 & 1/64
Johnson/French 1976 Bathurst Capri

Another interesting Johnson Falcon, from what I've seen on the XD/XE Facon History DVD, is the 1980 Surfers Paradise 300 "King Georges Tavern" Falcon, Dick drove thanks to privateer Joe Moore.

[Pug205]

Throw in a

1988 Silverstone TT
1992 Bathurst 1992

with a Mustang planned and I will be a very happy DJR fan ;)

[azzaford17]

can we get the 71 mustang while we are at it? that looked cool. It would also be good if they were produced in 1/43 as well as 1/18;);)

[brchi17]

Throw in a

1988 Silverstone TT
1992 Bathurst 1992

with a Mustang planned and I will be a very happy DJR fan ;)

agreed they are all vital cars for any DJR collection !!!

[Graeme]

Some missing DJ cars in my option are -

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Johnson/French 1976 Bathurst Capri

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Me thinks you are referring to the tenth placed Ford Capri RS3100 of Graham Moore, co-driven by Dick Johnson :

http://australianmusclecarsales.com.au/muscle_view/ 108827

[david5]

can we get the 71 mustang while we are at it?

I'm not aware of this car, do you have any pics or info ?

[AmonFan]

I'm not aware of this car, do you have any pics or info ?

Oh Cmon, are you in noddy land today or did my email rant upset you ;)

[david5]

Oh Cmon, are you in noddy land today or did my email rant upset you ;)

I'm always in noddy land. You could never upset me Laz, have you bought our Charade yet ??:p

[AmonFan]

I'm always in noddy land. You could never upset me Laz, have you bought our Charade yet ??:p

Not yet im still watching ;) I guess you figured there should be a # in front of the 71 to make more sense :p

[david5]

Not yet im still watching ;) I guess you figured there should be a # in front of the 71 to make more sense :p

Ah ha, now I'm really upset, I thought there was a mysterious Boss Mustang floating around I didn't know about. I heard a whisper of one that he co drove with a Diamond valley lad that was rebuilt in a workshop in Nth Qld but there was some argument over the actual car being an ex taxi................:rolleyes:

[AmonFan]

Ah ha, now I'm really upset, I thought there was a mysterious Boss Mustang floating around I didn't know about. I heard a whisper of one that he co drove with a Diamond valley lad that was rebuilt in a workshop in Nth Qld but there was some argument over the actual car being an ex taxi................:rolleyes:

Haha, being serious for a minute ;) what was the year of the one Jamieson (spelling) ran in 74...

[azzaford17]

Sorry it was car #71 white in colour DJ used in practice for 1984 Bathurst

[Maq]

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee290/maq79ford/ be9966cb.jpg

[cobra1978]

Can Anyone From Biante Please Tell Us When We Will See Dick Johnson's Mustang I Think This Car Is Long Over Due

[Maq]

The green one not the white one. :2thumbsup:

[Billy Bob]

do both the green and the white i'd buy both ;)

[Carter - Nelson]

If they do the Johnson Mustangs, surely they can do the Lawrie Nelson Mustangr....it was the longest racing Group A car in Australia.

1st race Sandown 1984
Last Race AGP Nov 1992

Come on make it please.....

[Maq]

Would eventually but I do not want them released close together like what has been happening with other themes lately. drives me up the wall

[fatty]

And the black one please.

[david5]

I love the smell of Pine.

[malscar]

I love the smell of Pine.

Whilst sitting in the beer garden of the Corryong Hotel Motel looking at your Capri Components lying all over the place.

[david5]

Whilst sitting in the beer garden of the Corryong Hotel Motel looking at your Capri Components lying all over the place.

Funny.

[Carter - Nelson]

Whilst sitting in the beer garden of the Corryong Hotel Motel looking at your Capri Components lying all over the place.

Tell me more....

[david5]

Just our cryptic dribble mate. I made an obscure reference to the Andersons cars (Pine Pac sponsored/entered) so Mal came back with some other Mustangs sponsors/owners. It helps us old folks pass the time.

[Carter - Nelson]

I was interested, as I own and drive the car in the historics....I was wondering who had nicked the car, taken it to Corryong and pulled it apart

I'm going out to the shed now to check its still there.....

[malscar]

Since it was spur of the moment, I did not know how to get the Nu Truck Spares of Setons car in there and make a bit of sense.

C-N, we were just pointing out there are more Mussies that could come of this mould than just the DJR cars.

[porsche956]

Exactly. Don Smith's 1985 ATCC car looked nice, too. The Ford Motorsport car.

[AmonFan]

I love the smell of Pine.

Hmmm Pine, while listening to your Sanyo you could have a life Portrait.

[david5]

Hmmm Pine, while listening to your Sanyo you could have a life Portrait.

Where were you last night, we could've really confused our Mustang driver. ;)

[AmonFan]

Where were you last night, we could've really confused our Mustang driver. ;)

Shock horror i was playing Gran Tourismo 5 :p

Yes i read the confusion ;)

[SDK]

I understand that CC will make 4500-5000 KB Camaros. Obviously this mould can be used for several further releases. The fact that KB never really undertook significant livery changes, perhaps limits how many KB Camaros one collector may buy? Aware that there were more drivers/liveries than just KB or 9 Sports Camaros, but these could only ever be released in low numbers.

Would it be safe to assume that Biante could get away 4500-5000 DJR Mustangs as a first release? Would this be viable to send into production? Also aware that there would be a number of tooling changes to make all of the DJR Mustangs.

I also reference these queries back to Biante indicating that it would not be cost effective to release a VE Commodore road car with correct tooling, when there are numerous models that could be done over time.

[Maq]

With various liveries they could sell well ovr 5g, but I think only 2500 to 3000 of Dicks greeny would be plenty.

[brchi17]

agreed Maq and you could do a few differ DJR stangs too to produce even more. The white #71 test car from Bathurst 84 (me thinks, but can't remember) 8th at Bathurst in '85, 4th at Bathurst in '86, plus you could do ATCC cars from each year as well.

[gab73]

They could also do the 85 AGP Touring car winner, the only win for the Mustang.

[Maq]

agreed Maq and you could do a few differ DJR stangs too to produce even more. The white #71 test car from Bathurst 84 (me thinks, but can't remember) 8th at Bathurst in '85, 4th at Bathurst in '86, plus you could do ATCC cars from each year as well.

NOOOO. 1 Green is heaps. 1 White, 1 black will do

[<Jonboy>]

NOOOO. 1 Green is heaps. 1 White, 1 black will do
yep 1x Green, the best performer in larger numbers AGP or 86 Bathurst, maybe a white, and definately a JPS car from the NZ enduros.

Then if they still need to make more to recoup the costs, other greens tuf cars in limited numbers for the guys that want/can afford 1x everything

[Chris Roche]

I am sure we will make this, for sure! It goes with our Dick Johnson Collection, so why wouldn't we!!

We will get around to saying more soon on this!!

[malscar]

NOOOO. 1 Green is heaps. 1 White, 1 black will do


Remember the car did go through updates during it's life as a green car. The grill changed from the original poxy grill to a letterbox type grill later in life, Also I want a Bathurst Hansford car and a Bathurst Larry car.

[gab73]

Remember the car did go through updates during it's life as a green car. The grill changed from the original poxy grill to a letterbox type grill later in life, Also I want a Bathurst Hansford car and a Bathurst Larry car.
+1, also early car had BBS wheels, later white Momo wheels.

[Kashmir]

agreed Maq and you could do a few differ DJR stangs too to produce even more. The white #71 test car from Bathurst 84 (me thinks, but can't remember) 8th at Bathurst in '85, 4th at Bathurst in '86, plus you could do ATCC cars from each year as well.

Guys you know that Biante won't produce any DJ Mustangs until Biante milk every last Peter Brock car lmao.

[monarocveightz]

Guys you know that Biante won't produce any DJ Mustangs until Biante milk every last Peter Brock car lmao.

Ahh.....but since CC is milking the Brock cars now.....Biante may turn to Moff and DJ instead;)


Or they'll just make those street rods..... :P

[AmonFan]

Ahh.....but since CC is milking the Brock cars now.....Biante may turn to Moff and DJ instead;)


Or they'll just make those street rods..... :P

Hopefully the street rods create a new customer base :)

[cobra1978]

why waste the time and resources on making supercharged falcon's there are a load of better cars to put in to production that people want to buy

[fatty]

I remember on here members asking Biante to make modified road cars with mag wheels etc....Now they are doing it everyone is bagging them. :rolleyes:

[AmonFan]

I remember on here members asking Biante to make modified road cars with mag wheels etc....Now they are doing it everyone is bagging them. :rolleyes:

You sound surprised ;)

[malscar]

I'm not.

I also think people were asking for the ability to change things, i.e. that Biante look at providing two sets of wheels and the collector to swap the wheels.

[spiderken17]

why waste the time and resources on making supercharged falcon's there are a load of better cars to put in to production that people want to buy

Things like the supercharged XB Falcon appeal to a different part of the market than most of us. Not everyone is into touring car racing and i imagine most of them will sell to the street machine/drag racing fraternity.

[david5]

Not everyone is into touring car racing.

:eek::eek:

[Graeme]

Remember the car did go through updates during it's life as a green car. The grill changed from the original poxy grill to a letterbox type grill later in life, Also I want a Bathurst Hansford car and a Bathurst Larry car.

Yep ... the car tended to look the same because essentially the colour and livery did not change through 1985-86, however there were quite a few body variations beyond the new nosecone that first appeared at the 1985 AEC round at Oran Park.

With the nosecone came a new rear spoiler, a new rear bumper, and the removal of the central bonnet 'hump', but it wasn't until the eve of Bathurst 1986 that Dick completed the car's update in adopting the correct 1985 spec front guards and garnish panels that run between the wheel openings and through to the rear bumper.

The two cars that DJ purchased from Zakspeed were 1983 spec cars but only one car had actually been fully built up and briefly raced by Klaus Ludwig that year. It was in this form that the Ludwig car appeared at Bathurst in 1984 complete with an unusual side external exhaust system.

GMP have done some 1985/86 Ford Mustang road cars, and their body mould would be suitable for Dick's 1986 Bathurst car.

As far as diecast models are concerned, I think it will be a difficult call on numbers. There were only two other Mustangs in the 1986 race ... and the Pinepac car is probably better remembered these days simply because it gets a fair showing in historic Group A racing events.

With only two years of racing and the various body modifications in that short period of time, the Group A Mustang model is obviously a much less viable proposition than say the Group C Mazda RX-7 ... it would be interesting to test the market by seeking from Biante Authorised Stockists expressions of interest for the 1986 Bathurst #17 car. If that car as a first release doesn't garner between 3,000 to 4,000 units of interest, my opinion is that no other version of Dick's Mustang will do any better.

[Numark83]

GMP have done some 1985/86 Ford Mustang road cars, and their body mould would be suitable for Dick's 1986 Bathurst car.

Rascot used the '85 Twister II GMP Mustang for his Code 3 DJ masterpiece and it looked brilliant.

[gab73]

Rascot used the '85 Twister II GMP Mustang for his Code 3 DJ masterpiece and it looked brilliant.
Are there any pics of this code 3 on this forum.

[Numark83]

Are there any pics of this code 3 on this forum.

http://forums.biante.com.au/showthread.php?p=41307 8#post413078

[gab73]

Thanks

[basman]

GMP have done some 1985/86 Ford Mustang road cars, and their body mould would be suitable for Dick's 1986 Bathurst car.

Could resin be used for a smaller run? Having Spark Le Mans winners in my collection in 1:18 scale, these are quite good in detail and finish if you are happy with a sealed model. More than happy with my Rondeau M379!!!!

[spiderken17]

:eek::eek:

I know, it came as a shock to me as well.:D

[david5]

I know, it came as a shock to me as well.:D

Thought I was alone for a while ;)

[group C]

Thought I was alone for a while ;)
ya can always go to that dark place to be alone:D
And have alone time ;)

[Maq]

Could resin be used for a smaller run? Having Spark Le Mans winners in my collection in 1:18 scale, these are quite good in detail and finish if you are happy with a sealed model. More than happy with my Rondeau M379!!!!

I could handle a small run of resin if the decals were tampo's and being sealed was $150 max.

[david5]

ya can always go to that dark place to be alone:D
And have alone time ;)

With my precious....the light, it burns aaarrrggghhhh

[monarocveightz]

I could handle a small run of resin if the decals were tampo's and being sealed was $150 max.

You wouldn't be able to get them for $150;)

[Maq]

I would not get sealed for more than $150ish If I could get a opening diecast for $230ish

[monarocveightz]

I would not get sealed for more than $150ish If I could get a opening diecast for $230ish

If Biante's BF cobra's etc are $240? I don't think they'd be able to make any for $150......I think it's more likely they'd make a diecast one anyway

[El Cheapo]

I would not get sealed for more than $150ish If I could get a opening diecast for $230ish

Chances are Biante would release in sealed resin for about $240 lol.

Sealed diecast metal would be the way to go in this case.

*edit* pipped at the post.

[Maq]

Hence the BS with resin. Should be no where near the same price. Doors vs sealed is a no brainer

[monarocveightz]

Hence the BS with resin. Should be no where near the same price. Doors vs sealed is a no brainer

I'll have to disagree;)

[El Cheapo]

Hence the BS with resin. Should be no where near the same price. Doors vs sealed is a no brainer

Tell that to Amalgam and Spark ;)

Resin produces a better finished model, with finer mould details and so on. With all the hubbub in the New Release thread about the BF's looking rubbish, it goes to show how supposedly important these things are ;)

[Maq]

Each to ther own. But for Me I would rather opening diecast over sealed resin for the same or near $

[HDT337]

Each to ther own. But for Me I would rather opening diecast over sealed resin for the same or near $

Yep, me too, I would prefer to keep my diecast collection....diecast.

HDT337

[basman]

To clarify my point - the question is not "would you prefer a sealed resin model over a diecast with opening parts?" as the answer is clearly the superior, diecast product.

The question in this instance is "would you buy the Group A Mustang in resin if this is the only feasible way of it being made?"

I hardly think CC or Biante could justify the use of diecast tooling if they can't forecast sales matching the magical breakeven number. As much as I love the Group A Mustang, I can't see more than 2000 sold in all variants in todays marketplace and the choice could really to have this as a sealed resin or to have nothing at all. Obviously I would also love a diecast model of this car but given quantities are becoming lower across most new releases, I don't think there is the volume of collectors to have every new mould in diecast.

I keep beating on the resin issue as I would like to see this used as I love my Spark 1:18's. Obscure cars like the 1980 Le Mans winning Rondeau have been made which would have never, ever been made in diecast as they would struggle to sell enough units to get a return on their investment.

[El Cheapo]

I keep beating on the resin issue as I would like to see this used as I love my Spark 1:18's. Obscure cars like the 1980 Le Mans winning Rondeau have been made which would have never, ever been made in diecast as they would struggle to sell enough units to get a return on their investment.

Slight tangent, but I don't believe Spark produce their 1:18's in resin solely because they don't think they'll sell well enough as diecasts. Their Audi R8 LMS is utterly brilliant, and it's got tonnes of people drooling, yet it's also resin. There's no questioning that that model in particular would be a runaway hit if produced in higher numbers.

[Graeme]

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I hardly think CC or Biante could justify the use of diecast tooling if they can't forecast sales matching the magical breakeven number. As much as I love the Group A Mustang, I can't see more than 2000 sold in all variants in todays marketplace and the choice could really to have this as a sealed resin or to have nothing at all. Obviously I would also love a diecast model of this car but given quantities are becoming lower across most new releases, I don't think there is the volume of collectors to have every new mould in diecast.

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Some years ago, Biante used to adopt 12,000 units as a starting point for a new mould. There are many diecast manufacturers sprinkled around southern China, but their product does vary. Quite apart from the cost of mould development, there is the issue of tooling a line for manufacturing ... the diecast manufacturers are not keen on tooling up for production of low quantities ... that's often the reason why you get similar models released at the same time, eg the three recent XB Falcon hardtop road cars from Autoart.

Biante has in the past released models that are manufactured via an association with another company, eg Minichamp's Ford Sierra, Kyosho's R32 Skyline GT-R, and GMP's Chevy Camaro ... again, this is a numbers game and the opportunity to explore amended tooling is limited.

So, as far as the 1983/84 and 1985/86 Ford Mustang variants are concerned, either Biante will do a deal with GMP, or it will have to do the cars independently. It's hard to see 12,000 units overall for full-openings diecast. One of the advantages of sealed-body, in resin or diecast, is that the number of individual parts is lessened considerably ... this should equate to lower development costs, but not necessarily will it equate to lower manufacturing costs if the production quantities remain low.

I suggested a few years ago that Biante adopt AUTOart's sealed-body diecast concept for V8 Supercars, with the idea that this might get the cars to market quicker and may also assist in pegging the retail cost. I thought it a huge blow to collectors when 1:18 road car prices were adjusted to be on par with 1:18 race car prices, and then a short time later to jump over the $200 retail barrier was to me yet another nail in the production quantities coffin.

[basman]

Graeme
Thanks for the very informative read.