Bathurst Trivia?????

[jamie harris]

OK GUYS I HAVE JUST WATCHED MY 1982 BATHURST VIDEO..
WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE "NEW " BRIDGE OVER CONROD STRAIGHT THIS YEAR??..WHO DROVE THE CHEV CAMERO(CHANEL 9)WHICH CRASHED ON IT'S ROOF? MOFFAT DROVE A???????
ALAN JONES DROVE A????HOW MANY BHP DID BROCKS COMMODORE HAVE AND HOW MANY GEARS?????THE COMMODORE WAS CALLED A"POLICE SPECIAL"IN THOSE YEARS THE TRUCKS WERE ALLOWED ON THE TRACK TO PICK UP WRECKS.
DICK JOHNSON'S IN CAR COMMENTERY WAS THE BEST I HAVE HEARD..REAL LAY BACK..SHE'LL BE RIGHT..(DRIVING BLUE XD/XE?)
ANYWAY I HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OVER SOME AS I HAVE THE VIDEOS BUT NOW YOU CAN SEE THAT WE NEED A TRIVIA SECTION AS ALL THE MODELS THAT BIANTE MAKE ARE PART OF THIS HISTORY......JAMIE(I WILL POST ANSWERS LATER)

[SWRT]

Good old KB drove the 'channel 6' chev.
Moff drove a Mazda RX-7 but the bridge,AJ's car and Brocks gears and bhp I'm not sure.
whats my prize for 2/5.
How long does your tape go for jamie and can you make me a copy.email me at lowndesfan66@hotmail.com

[jamie harris]

ok..channel 9(not 6) was driven by keven bartlett
moffat drove a ??????
the bridge on conrod was after a cigerette company???
alan jones drove a????
peter brock drove one of his first"brock" commodores and they were a "special" for the police ...bhp??? gears?? comeon guys do us old blokes have to tell you everything!!!!!!!!
as for videos i have 82/83/84/87 if interested contact me diret on
jandg_harris@hotmail.com

[Three_o_seven]

I think SWRT meant channel 6 as in the Camaro was belly up....reminds me of a Jimi Hendrix song 'If SIX WAS NINE'

But trivia is a good idea...see ya

[jamie harris]

when channel 9 camaro went belly up..dick johnson was right behind and just missed it..camaro 's rhr tyre deflated causing rollover..great to watch!colin bond was best time in practise.
How about 1978??? johnson's 2 sierras..why were they disqualified from "Hardies Heros?"and started down the grid for the race(both cars d.n.f.)??????? come on you "old blokes" or is it "lest we forgot" jamie

[Oh Five]

Alan jones raced an RX-7 and the bridge was John Player Special.....what do i win what do i win ????????:p

[Graeme]

The bridge constructed in 1982 over the last hump on Conrod was signwritten " John Player Special ".

At the 1982 race, Moffat was driving a newly built left hand drive Mazda RX-7 as part of a two car team, and Alan Jones partnered non-related Barry Jones in a separate Mazda RX-7 entry.

Brock's VH Commodore race car was based upon the GM-H built - as opposed to Brock/HDT - SS model with a race weight specified at 1286kg. ( The RX-7 ran at 905kg and the XE Falcon at 1419kg ).

As for power ratings, I don't know about Brock's car, but the media generally reported the Commodores having about 390bhp and the Falcons just over 400bhp. No doubt though that the Falcon had a lot more grunt, ie torque.

[passenger]

How about 1978??? johnson's 2 sierras..why were they disqualified from "Hardies Heros?"and started down the grid for the race(both cars d.n.f.)??????? come on you "old blokes" or is it "lest we forgot" jamie [/B]

i think johnson was useing XC falcons in 1978 ?
the sierras i think started in 1987 , with johnson/bowe finishing
2nd in 1988 in a sierra and 1st in 1989 in a sierra.

1988 sierras 1,2,3.

1989 sierra 1,2 , nissan 3rd

.........:D

[Graeme]

1988 was the year Tom Walkinshaw strode back into town and protests galore went around the paddock regarding most of the Sierras, and in turn Walkie got a protest regarding his UK built VL Commodore ....yes, that's the car that dropped it's bum on the track early in the race but was reborn into a race winner two years later.

Dick entered three Sierras for the 1988 race but things didn't really go well with Shell. After protest dramas, two Shell cars started from the front row and within a dozen laps there were three Shell cars running in the top six - one hour later the two fastest of the three Shell cars were out and Johnson/Bowe did a Brock and commandeered the surviving Sierra to come home second in the race.

[jamie harris]

OK I'M GETTING OLD ..SO I MAKE MISTAKES..ESPECIALLY IN TYPING..1987 NOT 1978 ABOUT JOHNSON GOOD TO SEE SOME ONE KNOWS SOME HISTORY.(SORRY) REASON FOR JOHNSONS TROUBLE WAS FUEL..SOMEONE HAD FIDDLED WITH IT..HIGHER OCTAIN.THE BRIDGE IS RIGHT "JOHN PLAYER SPECIAL" MOFFAT RX-7./AJ RX-7...BROCKS QUOTED BHP ON VIDEO WAS 380 . GOOD TO SEE PEOPLE DIGGING INTO THEIR HISTORY BOOKS FOR ANSWERS
THAT'S WHAT TRIVIA IS ALL ABOUT. OK ONE MORE ..WHAT WAS THE PACE CAR AT BATHURST IN 1987?........ JAMIE

[Esses]

Hey Jamie, I can't afford History Books, I collect models! I just deliver the books, usually from Pitstop Bookshop.

[Dazz]

Yep, the JPS Bridge, Channel 9(6) Camaro - Kevin Bartlett, Moffat - Mazda RX-7 (3rd), Alan Jones - Barry Jones RX-7 (out with g'box problems), Brock Commodore - 380'ish 4-speed, definitely trucks on the track!

[Senator1]

The pace car for 1987 was a four door Nissan Skyline turbo:)

Okay, who were the 4 drivers who drove the two Caltex Sierra's in 1988?? & what did Longhurst race in 1983,who was his co driver & the sponsor of his car??

[Graeme]

In 1988 Colin Bond and Alan Jones came home third in a Caltex Sierra; I remember that Jonesy was in good humour when he appeared at the balcony presentation, rolling down his racesuit to reveal a FOSTER'S t-shirt, the race that year having been sponsored by TOOHEYS for the first time.

As for Longhurst in 1983, as I recall that was his first Bathurst drive, sharing a Chev Camaro with the late Mike Burgmann, and running with Dad's sponsorship, ie Dreamworld.



Further trivia : What made the above Camaro famous in 1984 ?

[Dazz]

He flipped it on it's roof at Oran Park?

[brchi17]

Didn't Dick & Bowe finish 2nd in 1988 in car 28 - (Now if the Lusty Bros could have spun that fraction later and had hit Longhurst!!!)

Car 17 had a tyre blow going down Conrod at 250km+

Wasn't it car 28 with the clear headlights that they took over and finished in.

I also recall that i think both Dick & JB started the 88 race in cars 17 & 18 - i'll have to check my books at home to be sure !

Also,
Doesn't Dick Johnson hold the current top speed down conrod of 307km set in 1989 before the kink!!!!

Just a couple more bathurst items

[Senator1]

Johnson & Bowe finished second in car 18 which was originally driven by John Smith & Alfie Costanzo, unfortunately Costanzo never got his bum in the seat on race day, car 28 driven by Bowe & Rob Gravett had engine failure & car 17 driven by Johnson & Neville Crichton retired due to an accident,

The second caltex Sierra was driven by Bruce Stewart & John Giddings & finished 5th

[Senator1]

brchi17
Your question about the fastest speed down conrod, i believe was set by Jim Richards a few years ago in a Nascar at the Shell round when they had about Nascars doing demo races, i heard the speed was about 305kmh

[Ford Boy]

not meaning to be rude, but last time i checked 307 k's was faster than 305 k's.... so wouldnt DJ have the fastest speed record.....

[SWRT]

I think the speed record down conrod straight is 310km/h set by Russell Ingall in a NASCAR in 1998 on the 2L 1000 weekend.

[oldxr]

This one should be easy for all you Dick Johnson fans, Did DJ ever drive a Falcon with any other number but 17, if so what year.
easy, oh and what number was it?:D :D

[mustang1966]

Hmmm was it car 27? and did he do a brock type swap at Bathurst?

[spoonster05]

The ex Bartlett Camaro, driven at the 1984 Bathurst event by John Tesoriero & Bob Tindal was one of the cars involved in the huge startline crash after Walkinshaw failed to get John Goss's Jaguar off the startline.

Now to continue the trivia, when was the last time a Mazda RX-7 raced in the James Hardie 1000 ?.

[brchi17]

Dick drove a XB Falcon with # 13 in i think 1974.
I am pretty sure that it may have also been the first of the Bryan Burt Ford / Johnson Falcons.
Cheers.

[Dazz]

Originally posted by spoonster05
Now to continue the trivia, when was the last time a Mazda RX-7 raced in the James Hardie 1000 ?.

1985, and it was a pathetic example of an RX-7!

And the Camaro, was it the same one that he flipped at Oran Park?

[Graeme]

T'was a bit of a trick question on my part.

1983's Burgmann/Longhurst car became 1984's Thomson/Mann combination, and this was ultimately the last Chevrolet Camaro to compete in a Bathurst touring car event.

The Tesoreiro/Tindal Camaro was indeed the ex-Bartlett car, but was unfortunately smashed in 1984's initial race start.

As for the Oran Park rollover, my memory has faded on that one; I remember it was the yellow Camaro and that it tangled with the concrete wall prior to the bridge crossing, but I don't recall the year or the driver. Anyone got the answer ??



Another (easier) trivia question: Which team ran both Group C and Group A versions of the same car in the 1984 Great Race ??

[jamie harris]

1982 race just for interest sake...Peter Brock/Larry Perkins pit stop during race.. 4 tyres ,fuel ,driver change..35sec. and that was called FAST.Compare with todays time.
Also a great driver for his time,John Goss driving a JAG XJS No 10
the car looked like something from space.Johnson's talk back to Evan Green..."I'm useing more oil than fuel.but the old HENERY
had a rebuild last night and the boys must have put in HOLDEN RINGS SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT!" Great to watch,these guys today don't know how easy they have it....Jamie

[passenger]

Another (easier) trivia question: Which team ran both Group C and Group A versions of the same car in the 1984 Great Race ?? [/B]


would this have been the john player special team b.m.w.

group C - jim richards/tony longhurst .

group A - denis hulme/von bayern

both BMW 635csi

...........:)

[jamie harris]

HEY GUYS...SORRY I STARTED THIS SECTION BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A GOER! MAY BE "BIANTE" MAY NOW CONSIDER A SECTION
ON TRIVIA WITH A COMPETITION....JUST TO KEEP US CAR FANS
(OLD& YOUNG)UP TODATE WITH HISTORY..REMEMBER MOST OF THE CARS THEY MAKE COME FROM THE BATHURST EREA.ANYWAY JUST A THOUGHT?.....JAMIE

[Graeme]

Mark (passenger) wins the prize on the BMW 1984 trivia question.

Jamie has created a monster in the Forum !!




Okay, here's another :

You'll probably need your history books for this one, but partial answers are welcomed.....

John Goss ran a Jaguar XJ-S on various occasions at Bathurst during the eighties. In 1985, the car was a TWR example.
In what years did Goss run his own car, and as an extra task, name the co-driver on each occasion ?

[Senator1]

1984 co driver was Tom Walkinshaw involved in start line accident
In 1986 Goss drove a Jag & his co driver was Robert Muir

[Graeme]

The Right Honourable Senator has Gossy covered since 1984, but what about the Group C races prior to '84 ??

[spoonster05]

OK, I think this is right

Group C XJ-S Co-Drivers
1980 - Ron Gillard
1981 - Barry Seton
1982 - Bob Tullius

Just on the 1986 car shared with Bob Muir.....
Was this car the 84 Group C Jag hastily changed to Group A specs when JRA decided not to get a TWR car back out for the 86 race ??. I seem to recall John having scrutineering dramas with this car....

[Graeme]

As I recall, but I'm not absolutely sure, the 1986 Citibank XJ-S was built from a spare TWR bodyshell.
I also recall those scrutineering dramas mostly involved rear suspension mounting issues.

Looks like more reading to do !!

Otherwise, the Goss competition is complete.

New question:

Who had the Mobil sponsorship at Bathurst in 1984 before Brocky grabbed it in 1985 ?

[SWRT]

Who had Mobil sponsership before Brocky got it?
Team Rover in the 1984 race running group A cars.
Who had K-mart Sponsership in the 80's?

[Graeme]

SWRT :

I recall that Warren Cullen and Alan Jones finished fourth at Bathurst in 1984, driving a K-Mart sponsored VK Commodore.

Who else drove VK bodied Commodores in that race ...there weren't many ?
And, was there a VK Commodore in Group A that day ?

[jamie harris]

More trivia..who said"Rev the pickhandles out of these mothers"
in 82 there was a Skaife driving a Capri?
Denny Holmes? & Stephen Brooks drove a ... d.n.f
I n this year it was the first year of inboard camers,only 2 cars had it ...who?
The Captain... drove what? No..? partner was David.....?
Free details.. Barry Seaton/Smith drove a capri
Grice kept the car moving while being refueled..
jamie

[passenger]

whether its right im not sure but the first in car camera i recall ,
was peter williamson in a toyota celica i think in the early 80`s.
not sure of the other one , do remember a couple of cars with cameras...........:cool:

[jamie harris]

Rev the pick handles.could only be DICK JOHNSON (mother refering to the HENERY..FORD)
INBOARD CAMERS ...PETER BROCK...DICK JOHNSON..EACH CAR HAD A HELICOPTER FOLLOWING TO TRANSMIT PICTURES.
Can be seen on video of 82.
ALSO when Johnson crashed into tree on practise in 83,he got another car off another driver to rebuild over night,what was the car No..... He crashed at 160kmph,
Tony longhurst was called"a young Queenslander"and Peter Wherret was a commintater.Seaton/Seaton drove a capri.
JAMIE

[Dazz]

The Group A Commodore entry in 1984, was it driven by a Lester Smerdon?

Brock apparently gave these guys a bit of a hand with the car, maybe getting a bit of insight into the category for the next year.

[terrine]

i was surfing when i came a ccross this site...and...
he has even included a bathurst quiz...
you may have seen it before, if not have a sqizz

www.angelfire.com/ms/touringcar/quiz.html

homepage

www.angelfire.com/ms/touringcar/home.html

go for it

r/peter

[spoonster05]

OK Jamie

Russell Skaife ran a Capri with John Craft in 1982
Denny Hulme & Stephen Brook the second JPS BMW 635 in 1982
Captain Peter Janson ran his usual Cadbury-Schweppes Commodore with a young David Parsons in 1982

The Andrew Harris/Gary Cooke #9 Falcon became the #17 Greens-Tuf Falcon overnight after Johnson's Hardies Heroes crash.

They got the Barry Lawrence Commodore to replace the Falcon and finished 10th outright, winning Harris the Rookie of the Year award. I think that the 1983 James Hardie yearbook actually congratulates a "Richard" Harris on his Rookie of the Year award..

Now, for a long time Barry Seton/Don Smith held the record for the most consecutive starts together, who can name the next two driver pairings to take the record after them...

[Graeme]

At a guess Spoonster, I'd say that the Trevor Ashby/Steve Reed Lansvale Smash Repair duo would be one of the longest serving driver pairings.

[brchi17]

Graeme,
your right about Ashby /Reed.
I think it was in 2001 they supassed Johnson/Bowe as the previous record holder as the most start together !!!
i have a feeling that the new record is 14 starts in a row - maybe 13 as i'm not 100% on the number.
cheers.

[spoonster05]

yeah, Ashby/Reed definitely correct, I forgot about Bowe/Johnson, I was actually thinking Allan 'Scotty' Taylor and Kevin Kennedy as the pair with the most starts prior to Ashby/Reed

mmm....

[Grubby]

I don't think that the Ashby/Reed number of starts will be beaten either.

[Senator1]

Ok, dig out the history books for this one
In 1982 or 83 i think it was, i remember a VH Commodore destroyed its motor, with no spares to rebuild it & no money to buy another they resolved to fitting a six cylinder,(yes a 2850 motor if my memory serves me correct)
Who were the drivers???

[Graeme]

Just to close my last question, there were no VK bodied cars running in the ATCC in 1984 but four VK Group C cars were built for the swansong Sandown and Bathurst races.

These four were the HDT Brock #05 and Harvey #25 cars, the Roadways Grice #6 car, and the Kmart Cullen/Jones #8 car.

An additional VK appeared in the Group C Bathurst entry list, the #7 hybrid car of Lester Smerdon built largely to proposed Group A specifications, minus spoilers, flares, etc, however, the engine and running gear were pretty much Group C spec.

[jamie harris]

BOY THIS TRIVIA IS A HOT TOPIC...GOOD TO SEE..KEEPS THE MIND WORKING.OK ..WHO WAS THE "SPECIAL"GUEST COMINTATOR WITH EVAN GREEN IN 83..AND WHAT OTHER EVENT DID AUSTRALIA WIN THAT YEAR???A COMMENT FROM ALAN MOFFAT
AT THE WINNERS PRESENTATION"I MAY HAVE COME SECOND.BUT I ONLY NEEDED 1 CAR TO DO IT!"BROCK HAD 2 CARS AND CHANGED OVER TO HARVIES 25 CAR WHEN 05 BLEW UP...
JAMIE

[SWRT]

Where did Brock and Moffat finish in Bathurst 1969?
Where did Johnson finish in Bathurst 1973?
Where did Perkins finish in Bathurst 1977?
Which HDT drivers missed out on victory in 83 and 87 Bathurst's?

[Three_o_seven]

Brock...I think he finished 3rd co-driving a Monaro with Des West and Moffat was in an XW GTHO which came in 4th.

[Three_o_seven]

'83 Drivers to miss out on potential victory were John Harvey and Phil Brock in #25 VH Commodore.....and '87 i think at a guess was Parsons/??????? in #10 VL Commodore.

[frosty]

Where did Johnson finish in Bathurst 1973?


Dick came 5th in Class D which was 5th overall
He drove an XU-1 car number 10.
Co-Driver was Bob Forbes

[SWRT]

307,
John Harvey did win in 1983 with Perkins/Brock and Parsons did win in 1987 with Brock/Mcleod.
Frostys right about DJ in 73,your right about Moff and Brock.
Do you really go for the evil silver machines in WRC three-o-seven?

[frosty]

Which HDT drivers missed out on victory in 83 and 87 Bathurst's?

In '87 both Brock drove 05 for 31 laps then changed to David Parsons who drove for a further 3 laps, then the engine blow after 34 laps.

Car 10 was driven by Brock, David Parsons and Peter McLeod, it appears that Jon Crooke didn't get a drive at all in car 10, consequently, he is not listed as a winner.

[Three_o_seven]

Evil silver machines?

[SWRT]

Evil silver machines
#1 Richard Burns
#2 Marocs Gronholm
#3 Harri Rovanpera
#4 Gills Pannizi
All Pug 206's

[SWRT]

How many drivers have won Bathurst only once?

[Graeme]

SWRT, I'll have a go at your question, but my memory only goes back to 1968, which was a significant year in that the co-driver of the winning Monaro only did one lap. Bruce McPhee was the main driver and Barry Mulholland did the single lap.....what a winner !!

Colin Bond had his one win in 1969, I think partnered by Tony Roberts ...his one win too.

I don't recall co-drivers for 1971, 1972, or 1973, Kevin Bartlett got his one win in 1974, Brian Sampson in 1975, 1976 was a win for Bob Morris and John Fitzpatrick, and 1977 for Jackie Ickx.

Don't worry about 1978, 1979, or 1980. John French got his in 1981, ignore 1982 and 1984, but chalk one for John Harvey in 1983. Ahrmin (?) Hahne got one in 1985 and Graeme Bailey in 1986. David Parsons and Peter McLeod are in for 1987.

Tomas Mezera gets a mention for 1988 and Win Percy for 1990.

Ignore 1989, 1991 and 1992, but count in the late great Gregg Hansford for 1993.

Don't worry about 1994 or 1995, but count in Craig Lowndes for 1996.

After then you've got the 2litre races as well, but who cares about that hiccup. So, we'll count in Jason Bright for 1998 and ignore 1997 and 1999, so that leaves the last names as Garth Tander and Jason Bargwanna in the year 2000.

Is that pretty good for off the top of the head ??

[Three_o_seven]

OK SWRT.... now im with you......and no I dont follow the 'evil silver machines'.....
307 refers to the 5 litre V8 I have in my '58 Chev...not the new Peugeot.:D

[spoonster05]

Bob Holden & Rauno Aaltonen won the 1966 race in their works Cooper S, the only outright win for both of them as well....

[SWRT]

I'II give a clue,there were no co-drivers in the winning cars from 1970-72.
I'm releaved that three-o-seven don't go for the pugs in WRC.
That now leaves for answers for the 1965(both drivers),64(one driver),67(one driver),73(one driver),98 2L 1000(one driver) and 97 2L 1000(one driver).
Just for fun who won the Future tourer 300 and 2L 500 at the Bathurst festival of motorsport in October 1999?

[spoonster05]

Ok, Barry "Bo" Seton won the race in 1965 in a Cortina with Midge Bosworth, Fred Gibson won in 67 with Harry Firth, Ian Geoghegan co drove Moffat's Falcon GT to victory in 1973.

Um, 2L
97 - Rickard Rydell
98 - Matt Neal

Bathurst 500 was won by Paul Morris, Future Tourers race by James Brock in the Biante Commodore....

OK, when was Glenn Seton's first start at Bathurst for the factory Nissan team, in what car and who was his co-driver??

[SWRT]

spoonster05,
both your 2L 1000 answers were incorrect.
Rickard Rydell in but you put down the wrong year.
Matt Neal/Steve Richards never won 1998(would have been nice if it did).
Morris/Baird temporarily won the 1997 2L race before they found out Morris had been in the drivers seat for 30 mins too long.
Who came behind Morris/Baird at the 2L 1000 in 1997?

[spoonster05]

Thanks for that SWRT, must have had temporary brain fade....

So, it was Rickard Rydell in 1998 (Matt Neal 2nd) and Geoff & David Brabham in 1997....

[Senator1]

Glenn seton first raced for Nissan in 1984 with Christine Gibson in a Nissan Exa Turbo, from memory the car only lasted to about half race distance due to CV joint failure

[SWRT]

Jamie,
you might have to start a "Bathurst trivia continued " soon.

[Graeme]

Who was the Kiwi who invaded Australia in 1985, made a big splash at Bathurst too, took out the 1986 ATCC, and was only driver to front a Ford Sierra at Bathurst in 1986 ??

[Donny05]

Robbie Francevic - Volvo 240 T for Bathurst 1985 Then in a Sierra XR4i for Bathurst 1986. What ever happened to him? Did he fall off the face of the earth?



:D

[bev]

He was listed as an entrant in the Targa NZ held several weeks ago....

[Dazz]

Yes Robbie was driving some big American behemoth in the NZ Targa :)

[spoonster05]

Motor Racing Australia magazine had a "Where Are The Now" feature on Francevic in their last issue, he is now head of a company called Manro Engineering in Auckland. He did the Targa NZ in a 68 Pontaic GTO and is managing a young kiwi racer by the name of Alan Dunkley....

Keeping the Volvo link going, which former winner of the James Hardie 1000 shared a Volvo 122S with Kevin Bartlett in the 1966 Gallagher 500 at Bathurst ??.

I'll give a hint that this driver only has one victory at Bathurst to his name....

[Donny05]

John Harvey

Who did John Harvey drive with in 1971? and what in?
:D

[frosty]

Jase,

John Harvey drove with Bob Jane in a Torana XU1 number 33 in Class D and completed 50 laps.

A bit of history.

These were the Classes of '71.

Class A (upto $2,150) was all Japanese - Datsun 1200, Corolla 1200, Mazda 1300.

Class B ($2,151 - $2,500) was very narrow , with only 3 Datsun 1600s and one Mazda Capella 1600.

Class C ($2,501-$3,150) was Escort Twin-Cam, Mazda Capella Rotary, the odd Mini-Cooper S, GTR Torana and whatever else.

Class D ($3,151-$4,500) was the new class for XU-1 Torana and Valiant Charger, with the only orphan a Falcon 500 V8.

Class E, finally, was for cars over $4,350, and this was all GTHO Falcon, apart from a lone Fiat 124S..

[Donny05]

smartarse Frosty :D

Where's your question? :D

[frosty]

OK.... Donny05 (Jase)

This question , I think is a little bit harder.

Good Luck everyone.

Who am I?

As at 1983, I never have won Bathurst.
(may have won it later on???)

My nickname is "Oil can Harry".

This is a part of my Bathurst history:

1968 - finished.

1972 - a reserve - did not start.

1973, 74, 75, 76 - did not finish

[Graeme]

Frosty / Wayne,

'May have won it later' suggests to me that "Oil Can" is a tough as nails bloke who in a previous life was a pastrycook but more recently a Member of Parliament.

Am I on the right track ??

[frosty]

Graeme,


You are spot on.....


Give us another question.

[Graeme]

For others out there still not sure about Frosty's item, "Oil Can" did a Lazarus at Bathurst this year, much as did a certain P. Geoffrey Brock !!

Another trivia item .....mmmm ??

How about this :

At the Tooheys 1000 in 1988, just 19 cars out of 48 starters were officially recorded as finishing the race.

As in 1987, the race was run under strict FISA guidelines and many protests were lodged prior to the race regarding the legality of various of the outright contenders.

In order to avoid the legal dramas of the previous year, the protest regarding the winning Longhurst/Mezera Sierra was withdrawn by a complainant team, thereby confirming the race winner on the day. Ironically, this complainaint team didn't fare well on race day, and ultimately were the only team to have their two cars deemed illegal in relation to steering racks and front air dams.

Who was this unluckiest of two car teams at Bathurst 1988 ??

[brchi17]

Originally posted by brchi17

Doesn't Dick Johnson hold the current top speed down conrod of 307km set in 1989 before the kink!!!!


I heard 2nd hand that the 427 Monaro hit 320kph down Conrod yesterday(Saturday16th November), anyone else heard this ???
cheers.

[spoonster05]

Graeme, that would have to be the Tom Walkinshaw/Holden SV Racing team, running one Perkins built car and one car built in the UK by TWR, the Australian built Commodore also got pinged for having material removed to accomodate an oil cooler...

[Graeme]

You got it Spoony; as you suggest, Larry's car got pinged for modifications to the front airdam assembly. Both cars were roasted for running VK steering racks.

The whole thing was doubly painful because neither car finished the race. Mind you, had either Holden finished second, third or fourth, I wonder if Uncle Tom would've been so kind as to withdraw his winning Sierra protest ??



New trivia question:


Moving forward in time to 1996, the year of the one and only Lowndes Bathurst win.

Someone else turned up that year to drive a Falcon for the first time in his career. He had raced Sierras previously at Bathurst and could be regarded as one of the few international drivers who deserved better results - maybe even a win - given his obvious ability.

I like to think of him as Ford's equivalent to Win Percy in terms of his career record and affection for Mt Panorama..... who is he ?

[SWRT]

It's one of the Klautz's.
Ludzig or Niedzicks.

[spoonster05]

Was this Klaus Neidwiedz in the Allan Moffat Racing Falcon ??

As I recall this was an EB model Falcon, was 1996 also the same year that LP ran a "new" VP Commodore in protest over the undertray trim the VR received prior to Bathurst ??

[Graeme]

Yes Spoonster, Klaus Niedzwiedz became a latter day Paul Newman in that the Bathurst rumourmill always had him coming to the Great Race, but ultimately no-show. The difference between the two was that Klaus genuinely loves Bathurst but other committments overseas intervened; he was originally listed to drive the Moffat EB Falcon at it's Bathurst debut in 1993.




Which leads me to another piece of trivia :

When the Cenovis EB appeared at Bathurst in 1993, it's engine specs varied significantly from other Falcons, with horsepower figured to be around about 30bhp less than other prominent Fords such as the Seton and DJR cars. The donk was built in the USA by Moffat's established contacts at Holman & Moody, and it's induction system was the key area of difference..... you could say that the engine was prepared around NASCAR experience.

Can anyone guess what was this key difference ?




And, as for LP at Bathurst in 1996, he decided to front with a VP bodied car in order to achieve better front downforce and tyre wear following the Performance Review Committee decision to slice 125mm off the the VR undertray. Most people at the time realised that one of the main reasons why HRT were dominant was their Bridgestone tyre advantage; the undertray slice was not figured to worry HRT too much, and as the "official" Holden team, HRT was really obliged to run the VR at Bathurst that year.

[oldxr]

The Moffat Cenovis Falcon ran with a carbie not fuel injection.

[Graeme]

oldXR is correct about Moffat's EB carbie engine.

Another Moff EB Falcon question, or two :

Upon Klaus Niedzwiedz's return to Bathurst in 1996, Moffat had gained an additional major sponsor on top of his continued Cenovis support.
What was this latest Bathurst 1996 team sponsor for car #9 ?

Bonus points :
Did Klaus finish the race, and if so, in what position ?

[Donny05]

Additional Sponsorship was from "Banana Boat" and Klaus Niedzwiedz and Ken Douglas finished 10th overall in the 96 Great race.

[Graeme]

Donny wins the prize, whatever that may be, and the bonus points.

Still on 1996, which two car team had it's one and only Bathurst appearance that year and at one stage led the race with it's lead car, which disappointingly and spectacularly exited the race on the uphill approach to The Cutting ?

[Donny05]

#201 / #301 Pack Leader EF Falcon Team of Alan Jones and Paul Romano. Alan Jones teamed up with Alan Grice for Bathurst and Romano with Andrew Miedecke. The Alan Jones car was starting to make a break from the field then stopped for a Barbeque on the approach to the cutting resulting in a DNF. :D
The remaining car of Romano and Mad Andy finished 11th behind Klaus Niedzwiedz / Ken Douglas.

[oldxr]

Thats the reason we were warned of the dangers smoking as children.
for your info, Moffats Banana boat falcon ran a fuel injected DJR motor in 95/96 if memory serves correct.

[Graeme]

After Moff won the Great Race in 1973, Ford officially withdrew from active touring car racing.

The effect was such that only three Falcon GT Hardtops competed at Bathurst in 1974, 1975, and 1976. In each of these years the same one car teams appeared with the same lead drivers in each car.

Who were these three stalwart Ford drivers ?

[intercooled]

Allan Moffat, John Goss and Murray Carter.

John French ran a green XA hardtop in 1973, and, it had a vinyl roof. Was this the only hardtop that raced with a vinyl top ?

(Puts me in mind of Mark Donahue and the Penske Trans-Am Camaros that ran with vinyl roofs because, em, maybe, perhaps, they had drilled holes in the roof to lighten it all and used the roof to cover it up.
I believe Richard Petty did this in Nascar too, claiming that the vinly acted like the coating of a golfball and helped the car slip through the air, when in fact, the roof was so acid dipped that it used to rise up like a convertible top does at speed, and the vinyl roof also fooled the eye into thinking the roof was as tall as it should be stock, when in fact it was subtly chopped.)

All the best

[the_goldie]

Ok a few questions from 83 (current Bathurst Magazine I am reading):

a. How much prize money did 1st outright receive at Bathurst in 83?

b. How much money did the Saturday Qualifier Pole sitter get?

c. On each of the following laps - 25, 50, 70, 100, 125, 150, 160, 161, 162, 163 they paid how much for the outright leading car.

Also does anybody know how much the winners receive now?

[biante2959]

Originally posted by the_goldie
Ok a few questions from 83 (current Bathurst Magazine I am reading):

a. How much prize money did 1st outright receive at Bathurst in 83?

b. How much money did the Saturday Qualifier Pole sitter get?

c. On each of the following laps - 25, 50, 70, 100, 125, 150, 160, 161, 162, 163 they paid how much for the outright leading car.

Also does anybody know how much the winners receive now? ..

Cam, So what are the answers?

[inter]

Originally posted by the_goldie
Ok a few questions from 83 (current Bathurst Magazine I am reading):

a. How much prize money did 1st outright receive at Bathurst in 83?

b. How much money did the Saturday Qualifier Pole sitter get?

c. On each of the following laps - 25, 50, 70, 100, 125, 150, 160, 161, 162, 163 they paid how much for the outright leading car.

Also does anybody know how much the winners receive now?
a) $20,000
b)$3,000
c) $500 each above mentioned lap
inter:)

[the_goldie]

Well done inter.

Also how much for the car leading after lap 1?

I think they should still hand out these sort of incentives to make the racing more exciting, especially with so many safety cars.

The sponsor for Pole position was Cadbury-Schweppes and Motorola Electronics Aust for the car leading each lap in part c. just in case you were wondering :)

I will be onto the 84 program tomorrow.

Another little bit of trivia I found out while reading the program:

It was mentioned that in the 1982 race, somebody had spiked the teams orange juice which Brock was drinking with Salt Tablets so he was dehydrated while doing his last stint and when he came in for the final pitstop (lap 119) he had to get a drink with lots of glucose plus Perkins was stuffing ice cubes down his back...

[KiwiRallyFan]

Originally posted by inter
a) $20,000
b)$3,000
c) $500 each above mentioned lap

That doesn't sound like very much money these days. $500 every 25 laps wouldn't even cover your tyre wear....:(

What do they get now?

[Goodwrench3]

Originally posted by intercooled
Allan Moffat, John Goss and Murray Carter.

John French ran a green XA hardtop in 1973, and, it had a vinyl roof. Was this the only hardtop that raced with a vinyl top ?

(Puts me in mind of Mark Donahue and the Penske Trans-Am Camaros that ran with vinyl roofs because, em, maybe, perhaps, they had drilled holes in the roof to lighten it all and used the roof to cover it up.
I believe Richard Petty did this in Nascar too, claiming that the vinly acted like the coating of a golfball and helped the car slip through the air, when in fact, the roof was so acid dipped that it used to rise up like a convertible top does at speed, and the vinyl roof also fooled the eye into thinking the roof was as tall as it should be stock, when in fact it was subtly chopped.)

All the best

I've read that Petty story - NASCAR is full of them hey?!!!
Refer to any Smokey Yunick tale for an example!

[inter]

Just a fun trivia question.
Wich model falcon did moffat drive last in the bathurst 1000 enduros?
What car n# was it? Wnat year was it?
inter

[Damian]

Originally posted by inter
Just a fun trivia question.
Wich model falcon did moffat drive last in the bathurst 1000 enduros?
What car n# was it? Wnat year was it?
inter

Was it the Black Cenovis sponsored EB Falcon No.9 in 1993?

Regards
Damian

[inter]

Originally posted by Damian
Was it the Black Cenovis sponsored EB Falcon No.9 in 1993?

Regards
Damian
Yes it was, well done.



What was the last falcon he drove in the eighties?
inter

[Damian]

Originally posted by inter

What was the last falcon he drove in the eighties?
inter


Yellow Federation XD that Biante have made the model of?

Regards
Damian

[spoonster05]

Was it the Federation Insurance XD at Bathurst with John Fitzpatrick in 1980, retired on lap 3. ?

[inter]

Originally posted by spoonster05
Was it the Federation Insurance XD at Bathurst with John Fitzpatrick in 1980, retired on lap 3. ?
Correct year but the wrong car.
inter

[spoonster05]

Ah, was this the year Moffat jumped into Bob Morris's Falcon, despite them not even being in the same team ?

[inter]

Originally posted by spoonster05
Ah, was this the year Moffat jumped into Bob Morris's Falcon, despite them not even being in the same team ?

Well done spoonster05

inter

[the_goldie]

Just on the Yellow XD - on the front of the brochure it says end of an era - is this meaning the end of Moffat's era? Because he did race after this? :confused: Oh and I don't have that brochure to read any info on it. Thanks.

[Damian]

Originally posted by the_goldie
Just on the Yellow XD - on the front of the brochure it says end of an era - is this meaning the end of Moffat's era? Because he did race after this? :confused: Oh and I don't have that brochure to read any info on it. Thanks.

I think it was to mean the end of the association with Moffat & Ford as a partnership/raceteam.

Regards
Damian

[the_goldie]

Oh ok - thanks Damian.

[AmonFan]

Moffs XD Falcon was certainly put together late. Keep in mind he drove the second HDT Commodore at the September Hang Ten 400 Meet that year. Fred Gibson was preparing an XD for the 1980 race and gave Moff a call about the Rear end out of Moffs XC, being compatible with the XD. It got Moff thinking so he built an XD up for himself ;). Of course because of the lateness, he didnt have an entry, enter the Mike Minear Saab Turbo entry, which Moff took over. History shows the great looking XD didnt last long, and was later apparently sold to Russell Skaife (Marks dad) before going to Queenslands John English :)

[ferrari fan]

I gotta say that this Yellow XD rendition of the Alan Moffat Federation/Unipart FORD is an outstanding model and should be considered seriously if you do not have it as yet
The detail and finnish is unsurpassed.

[jamie harris]

As I started this tread a while ago,a bit more to add. When the GTR NISSANS appeared at Bathurst the quote was"GTHO'S & MONAROES WOULD LEAVE THE LITTLE JAP CARS FOR DEAD"
FACTS:1970 GTHO(MOFFAT)DID 130 LAPS IN 6 HOURS.33MIN,47 SEC.
THE GT-R DRIVEN BY SKAIFE/RICHARDS IN 1991 DID 161 LAPS IN
6HRS,19MIN,14.8 SEC.
THATS 31 ADDITIONAL LAPS IN 14MIN.,32.2 SEC.LESS TIME
JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT-PROGRESS!!!

[ferrari fan]

Originally posted by jamie harris
As I started this tread a while ago,a bit more to add. When the GTR NISSANS appeared at Bathurst the quote was"GTHO'S & MONAROES WOULD LEAVE THE LITTLE JAP CARS FOR DEAD"
FACTS:1970 GTHO(MOFFAT)DID 130 LAPS IN 6 HOURS.33MIN,47 SEC.
THE GT-R DRIVEN BY SKAIFE/RICHARDS IN 1991 DID 161 LAPS IN
6HRS,19MIN,14.8 SEC.
THATS 31 ADDITIONAL LAPS IN 14MIN.,32.2 SEC.LESS TIME
JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT-PROGRESS!!!

One most important factor has to be taken into consideration.
The "old" touring cars WERE a ROADCAR with a better (moreHP) engine in it and a few mods.
Not even a raceseat was allowed.
The Nissans were/are like today's Supercar a fullblown racecar with very little if any parts relevant to a roadcar.
This is why they are now so much faster.
A normal GTS or GT-P would be not that much faster than the old magic machines (I think) never tried or seen a comparison for a long time. :)

[Monaro Maniac]

Can anyone tell me if Brock raced at Bathurst in 70 and 71 and if so in what and for who please.

[ferrari fan]

Originally posted by Monaro Maniac
Can anyone tell me if Brock raced at Bathurst in 70 and 71 and if so in what and for who please.

1970:Class C car#40C ,Torana GTR-XUI with Bob Morris 107 laps pos 14 in class.
foto in book of J.H. the complete History page 150.
1971:ClassD car#32D , Torana XUI , no codriver 129 laps and pos 3 in class D

[Monaro Maniac]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
1970:Class C car#40C ,Torana GTR-XUI with Bob Morris 107 laps pos 14 in class.
foto in book of J.H. the complete History page 150.
1971:ClassD car#32D , Torana XUI , no codriver 129 laps and pos 3 in class D

Thanks for the info FF hopefully these may make the PB collection as I missed the HDT XU1's and at the prices their now getting I don't know if the wife will O.K the outlay.

[Dingo]

What was the best ever finishing position of the Ford Falcon XB GT at Bathurst?

[inter]

Originally posted by Dingo
What was the best ever finishing position of the Ford Falcon XB GT at Bathurst?

1976 Murray carter 8th in class (21st out right).

In 1975 no xb finished.

In 1974 even tough goss won it was in an xa ( Moffat and Carter ran xb's ) but it did not finish.
inter

[Dingo]

Originally posted by inter
1976 Murray carter 8th in class (21st out right).

In 1975 no xb finished.

In 1974 even tough goss won it was in an xa ( Moffat and Carter ran xb's ) but it did not finish.
inter
Close but not quite right...

[inter]

Originally posted by Dingo
Close but not quite right...

Ron dickson 1977 10th outright.
inter

[Dingo]

Originally posted by inter
Ron dickson 1977 10th outright.
inter
Correct :D

[Leigh]

Originally posted by ferrari fan
1970:Class C car#40C ,Torana GTR-XUI with Bob Morris 107 laps pos 14 in class.
foto in book of J.H. the complete History page 150.
1971:ClassD car#32D , Torana XUI , no codriver 129 laps and pos 3 in class D
Monaro Magic

1970 car here (http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/item-689public.html?cache=no), here (http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/item-3110public.html?cache=no) and in colour here (http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/item-4331public.html?cache=no)

1971 car here (http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/item-707public.html?cache=no), here (http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/item-2578public.html?cache=no) and colour here (http://www.autopics.com.au/cache/item-708public.html?cache=no)

Cheers