Who will drive for Jack Daniels Racing

[waldo]

With the well known secret out that Steven Richards is defecting to Ford, one idea for Larry to consider is to employ a talented and skilled driver who is out of work to fill this seat. One person pops to mind and that is Glen Seton, as Ford have let him go maybe Holden should get a top driver to replace losing one.

[wayno]

Knowing Perkins it will be the guy that costs him the least. :rolleyes:

[spoonster05]

Well Larry is putting Shane and Jack in the last 3 rounds of the main game this year so perhaps one of them to race alongside Dumbrell next year ?

[brchi17]

Well Larry is putting Shane and Jack in the last 3 rounds of the main game this year so perhaps one of them to race alongside Dumbrell next year ?

This is big news, where did you find all this......I wonder where he got the two extra franchise spots from to run them & if so, does this now mean he's a four car super team & what implications will this have, interesting reading.... ???

[jediholden]

This is big news, where did you find all this......I wonder where he got the two extra franchise spots from to run them & if so, does this now mean he's a four car super team & what implications will this have, interesting reading.... ???

Richards departure is in V8X Mag:(. Another Holden driver gone:mad:. Even the columnist are asking :"How many drivers can Holden afford to lose"?

The rumour mill is suggesting that Shane Price will get the nod for next year.

There is also talk of Dumbrell going to SCAR to replace Murphy, so who knows. Maybe both lads will take over the driving :confused:.

[jay205]

There could be 2 seats at JDR next year.

The word is that Dumbrell, not to SCAR, but here's a hint. Dumbrell has just brought a Autobarn Store;)

[brchi17]

Richards departure is in V8X Mag:(. Another Holden driver gone:mad:. Even the columnist are asking :"How many drivers can Holden afford to lose"?

The rumour mill is suggesting that Shane Price will get the nod for next year.

There is also talk of Dumbrell going to SCAR to replace Murphy, so who knows. Maybe both lads will take over the driving :confused:.

Very interesting, we all know that Larry follows Frank Williams attitude to the driver payroll and while he continues to do so, he won't be able to keep name drivers - I wonder if JACK will be happy with two low profile drivers headlining their mega budget team ???

The Richo Jr thing has been rumor for longer than I can remember now, but has anyone heard the one about CAT joining Murph at Tasman...??? Personally I think it's not going to happen (the CAT bit, as apparently the Murph part is done, but it's still only rumor), as I think CAT will follow Bright to Britek, but it sure is interesting times atm.....

[Dingo]

This is big news, where did you find all this......I wonder where he got the two extra franchise spots from to run them & if so, does this now mean he's a four car super team & what implications will this have, interesting reading.... ???
He didn't...he is using the #39 PMM licence that Morris no longer wants/needs (use word as appropriate) to run Jack and Shane back-to-back at Symmons (Price) and Phillip Island (J Perkins)...

[brchi17]

He didn't...he is using the #39 PMM licence that Morris no longer wants/needs (use word as appropriate) to run Jack and Shane back-to-back at Symmons (Price) and Phillip Island (J Perkins)...

ok thanks, I didn't know that ;)

I wonder if Larry is using this to look at who might be best to replace Richo in the other JDR car ???

[wayno]

There could be 2 seats at JDR next year.

The word is that Dumbrell, not to SCAR, but here's a hint. Dumbrell has just brought a Autobarn Store;)

Very interesting. Where would that leave Steve Owen? He definately deserves to be in the main game.

[brchi17]

Very interesting. Where would that leave Steve Owen? He definately deserves to be in the main game.

hopefully it pushes him further up the food chain into a better team

[wayno]

hopefully it pushes him further up the food chain into a better team

We'll see what happens. On the Holden side I don't think there are that many prime seats anymore. Apart from Toll and HRT the rest of the teams are a rabble.

[cooper1117]

We'll see what happens. On the Holden side I don't think there are that many prime seats anymore. Apart from Toll and HRT the rest of the teams are a rabble.

Its not that much better on the Ford side, SBR, FPR & 888, rest are secondary, so in total there are only 5 teams really in it.

[Leigh]

Which is a very healthy situation...when has there been 10 competitive seats in this game?

[wayno]

Maybe Perkins should join the Holden Motorsport fold? :D

[cooper1117]

Which is a very healthy situation...when has there been 10 competitive seats in this game?

Well those odds are much better than F1 !!!!

[brchi17]

We'll see what happens. On the Holden side I don't think there are that many prime seats anymore. Apart from Toll and HRT the rest of the teams are a rabble.

well he did drive for Britek in the previous season (even thought it was in one of the bumped cars in the over subscribed grid rounds), so I suppose at this point in time you'd take the best seat on offer, regardless of badge.

[Chev_350]

Maybe Perkins should join the Holden Motorsport fold? :D

Ha, Holden Motorsport doesn't exist anymore, its called Walkinshaw performance or something like that. People don't like Walkinshaw having his hand in 2 teams image what people would say if had three teams on his side, plus well Larry don't get on well with Tom

[singer]

Ha, Holden Motorsport doesn't exist anymore, its called Walkinshaw performance or something like that. People don't like Walkinshaw having his hand in 2 teams image what people would say if had three teams on his side, plus well Larry don't get on well with Tom

Maybe that is because Uncle Tom insisted on Driving Larry's car then over revved the **** out of it, this was after Uncle Toms suspension collapsed early in the Bathurst race.

When Larry was running HRT's Workshop & Uncle Tom didn't like it when LP stood up to him

[Leigh]

Ha, Holden Motorsport doesn't exist anymore, its called Walkinshaw performance or something like that. People don't like Walkinshaw having his hand in 2 teams image what people would say if had three teams on his side, plus well Larry don't get on well with Tom
My understanding is that HMS, HSV and WP all operate in parallel...

[CowboyMatt]

Richards departure is in V8X Mag:(. Another Holden driver gone:mad:. Even the columnist are asking :"How many drivers can Holden afford to lose"?

The rumour mill is suggesting that Shane Price will get the nod for next year.

There is also talk of Dumbrell going to SCAR to replace Murphy, so who knows. Maybe both lads will take over the driving :confused:.


Maybe I've been living under a rock but I havent heard any of this stuff before - where is Murphy going?

[spoonster05]

Murph is headed to Tasman Motorsport (apparently!!)

[wayno]

Larry don't get on well with Tom

Change the word 'Tom' to the word 'anybody'. :D

[singer]

Change the word 'Tom' to the word 'anybody'. :D
True:D

[05shan]

I heard LP is pretty confident on sighning Dumbrell again, didnt think there was any confidence during the silly season.
Maybe the 3 races in the Pro Drive Aston Martin was the sweetner for Richo. Disapointing to us Holden guys!

[brchi17]

.....Maybe the 3 races in the Pro Drive Aston Martin was the sweetner for Richo....

don't forget the extra $500k p.a. which was rumored to be the real motivation for his switch ;)

[wayno]

don't forget the extra $500k p.a. which was rumored to be the real motivation for his switch ;)

And therein lies the problem with Holden holding onto decent drivers. :rolleyes:

[brchi17]

And therein lies the problem with Holden holding onto decent drivers. :rolleyes:

And don't forget that Holden allowed Perkins to let Richo leave by not offering him a higher wage

[wayno]

I am not laying the blame for the exodus of talent solely on the bespectacled one.
That said he's renowned for being as tight as a certain part of a fish at 40 fathoms. ;)

[brchi17]

I am not laying the blame for the exodus of talent solely on the bespectacled one.
That said he's renowned for being as tight as a certain part of a fish at 40 fathoms. ;)

I know you're not pal, but it's does beg the question, as we all know Larry models him driver payments on the Frank Williams theory of driver worth.

But why didn't Holden intervene & offer Richo something that he could do for a day job to subsidise the lousy JDR salary ???

[05shan]

And therein lies the problem with Holden holding onto decent drivers. :rolleyes:
Maybe they should skim some of Tom (i was once broke but now im a millionaire again) Walkinshaw's wage to try and retain some of their drivers;)

[wayno]

I look at the sport purely from the racing point of view and think Tom has bought some performance back to the Holden side of the fence. A lot of you don't like him and that's fine. Tom has never set out to make friends, but the guy sure knows how to get things done.
We all joke about how Larry is like Frank Williams with driver payments (which is true). I think it is time for Larry to change this attitude. V8 Supercar is very close these days, just like Bernie Jnr wants. It's no use having the biggest stick if the nut behind the wheel isn't up to the job. Obviously the money is out there and the best drivers are chasing it.
If Larry continues to pay peanuts he will continue to get monkeys and his team will never improve from where it is.

[05shan]

I think LP keeps trying to find the rising stars. As he finds them, other teams steal them. He seems to get good drivers, like Richo, but just cant keep them. Hope Price works out well 4 him. He has been doing well in the Fujitsu series (2nd) althought the main game is a bit more savage!

[brchi17]

I think LP keeps trying to find the rising stars. As he finds them, other teams steal them. He seems to get good drivers, like Richo, but just cant keep them. Hope Price works out well 4 him. He has been doing well in the Fujitsu series (2nd) althought the main game is a bit more savage!

If Larry was prepared to pay his star drivers what the market are offering then he wouldn't lose them, simple. You'd think he would of learnt after losing Russell & now his bloody minded attitude to driver wages has cost him Richo. I can't see JDR being prepared to keep throwing Larry massive bags of $$$ if he's not going to give them the best drivers he can find.

[05shan]

If Larry was prepared to pay his star drivers what the market are offering then he wouldn't lose them, simple. You'd think he would of learnt after losing Russell & now his bloody minded attitude to driver wages has cost him Richo. I can't see JDR being prepared to keep throwing Larry massive bags of $$$ if he's not going to give them the best drivers he can find.
I agree with what you are saying, its just a shame he doesnt cough up the extra dough. It is a well engineered team, with a good backing (JD). ;)

[Oh Five]

I agree with what you are saying, its just a shame he doesnt cough up the extra dough. It is a well engineered team, with a good backing (JD). ;)

I could be wrong but going by what i heard from a guy i know involved in V8's, Jack Daniels could be backing a "brighter team" next year.

[brchi17]

I could be wrong but going by what i heard from a guy i know involved in V8's, Jack Daniels could be backing a "brighter team" next year.

you sure you're spelling that right :p LOL !!!

[Chev_350]

I could be wrong but going by what i heard from a guy i know involved in V8's, Jack Daniels could be backing a "brighter team" next year.

aren't they signed to Perkins for 3 years?

[wayno]

aren't they signed to Perkins for 3 years?

Maybe a performance clause in there?

[brchi17]

Maybe a performance clause in there?

perhaps they're worried that with only two cars, 50% of the audience are boycotting their product ;)

[HRT 1-2]

If Larry was prepared to pay his star drivers what the market are offering then he wouldn't lose them, simple. You'd think he would of learnt after losing Russell & now his bloody minded attitude to driver wages has cost him Richo. I can't see JDR being prepared to keep throwing Larry massive bags of $$$ if he's not going to give them the best drivers he can find.

Is this all based on fact or speculation about the reason for Richo leaving?

It's not a case of LP can't pay as apposed to won't is it?

If the quote of $500K variation in the offer is true, I think the term "salary cap" needs to become more prevalent in this game!

[jediholden]

Is this all based on fact or speculation about the reason for Richo leaving?

It's not a case of LP can't pay as apposed to won't is it?

If the quote of $500K variation in the offer is true, I think the term "salary cap" needs to become more prevalent in this game!


Youre right. Larry wont pay the extra dough because he thinks the pups will rise to the challenge. In a couple of years Price will be driving for Ford anyway. look how they stole James courtney after 2005. Watch and see.

Anyway it's Perkins loss. I wish Richo all the best for next year even though he's driving for them!

[jediholden]

There could be 2 seats at JDR next year.

The word is that Dumbrell, not to SCAR, but here's a hint. Dumbrell has just brought a Autobarn Store;)

If thats the case he will go there to partner Owen. That could be a formiddable team. Owen been going ok recently, so maybe good times ahead.

[Leigh]

If Larry was prepared to pay his star drivers what the market are offering then he wouldn't lose them, simple. You'd think he would of learnt after losing Russell & now his bloody minded attitude to driver wages has cost him Richo. I can't see JDR being prepared to keep throwing Larry massive bags of $$$ if he's not going to give them the best drivers he can find.
Russell didn't leave Larry and he didn't leave Holden neither...

That also means Ford didn't poach him;)

So given that,who apart from Richards has Larry not paid adequately? I can't think of anybody worth paying:p

[1370]

In a couple of years Price will be driving for Ford anyway. look how they stole James courtney after 2005. Watch and see.



I didn't realise driving for a Team twice can make you the sole property of the car company that provided nothing more than the plastic badge for that particular race car. If that was the case, surely James is well and truly "owned" by Toyota given his time in Japan.

[Oh Five]

aren't they signed to Perkins for 3 years?

Ask any AFL coach what a signature is worth;)

Like i said its only what i heard :confused:

[Chev_350]

Youre right. Larry wont pay the extra dough because he thinks the pups will rise to the challenge. In a couple of years Price will be driving for Ford anyway. look how they stole James courtney after 2005. Watch and see.

Holden's offer for Courtney was actually a very good one money wise,

[waldo]

Can anyone actually believe any driver is worth $750,000 or 25% of a teams annual budget. Just look at Mark Skaife's performance this year and tell me honestly he's worth that kind of money.

[05shan]

Can anyone actually believe any driver is worth $750,000 or 25% of a teams annual budget. Just look at Mark Skaife's performance this year and tell me honestly he's worth that kind of money.
Skaify might have dropped the ball a little this year, but he has had his fair share of bad luck. Just because he's had a bad year (or two) doesnt mean he is worth any less. He is still one of the best drivers in the paddock. Now if he could just get those starts down pat........:D

[cooper1117]

Can someone remind me how many races Skaife has won this year,,,hmmmm,,, maybe more than any other driver. Yep he has had an up and down year but he is still streets ahead of the majority of the field. Plus you also have to take into account the amount of TV coverage a driver gets for his team, again I think Skaife is up there with coverage time, thus it increases his worth.

[05shan]

Not to mention equal most poles this year

[Holden2003]

Can anyone actually believe any driver is worth $750,000 or 25% of a teams annual budget. Just look at Mark Skaife's performance this year and tell me honestly he's worth that kind of money.

5 Times Australian Touring Car Champion
5 Times Bathurst Winner
37 Round wins, equal record with the late Peter Brock

Name any other driver in the field even close to that record. Only Greg Murphy comes close in Bathurst Wins (4), and Craig Lowndes has 3 Championships, 2 Bathursts.

[brchi17]

Can anyone actually believe any driver is worth $750,000 or 25% of a teams annual budget.

Some actually pay more & it's not just CL who is being paid much more than this....wasn't there a rumor that Prodrive were operating on close to double figures per season, I wish I could find that info now....:o

[Holden2003]

Some actually pay more & it's not just CL who is being paid much more than this....wasn't there a rumor that Prodrive were operating on close to double figures per season, I wish I could find that info now....:o

I remember Jason Bright on a $1 million contract, or was that for both seasons.

[cooper1117]

Can anyone actually believe any driver is worth $750,000 or 25% of a teams annual budget. Just look at Mark Skaife's performance this year and tell me honestly he's worth that kind of money.


Hmmmm - another pole. Maybe the pay packet should be $755,000 by Skaifie collecting the $5,000 pole prize!!!!

[HRT 1-2]

Can anyone actually believe any driver is worth $750,000 or 25% of a teams annual budget. Just look at Mark Skaife's performance this year and tell me honestly he's worth that kind of money.

Whose he going to negotiate with, himself?:rolleyes:

[Chev_350]

Can anyone actually believe any driver is worth $750,000 or 25% of a teams annual budget. Just look at Mark Skaife's performance this year and tell me honestly he's worth that kind of money.

not forgetting Skaife owns his team, he probably still does alot of behind the scenes stuff, product development for HSV and Holden, I would say he is worth is money and that he would probably be getting a fair bit more than $750 K

[jediholden]

I didn't realise driving for a Team twice can make you the sole property of the car company that provided nothing more than the plastic badge for that particular race car. If that was the case, surely James is well and truly "owned" by Toyota given his time in Japan.

Who said it did. Holden should have offered him more to stay. Is that so hard to figure out?

[jediholden]

Holden's offer for Courtney was actually a very good one money wise,

Must've been a Ford man to begin with, to knock it back then;).

[wayno]

The Stig! :D ;)

[Nobes]

The Stig! :D ;)


ROFL :)

[waldo]

Can someone remind me how many races Skaife has won this year,,,hmmmm,,, maybe more than any other driver. Yep he has had an up and down year but he is still streets ahead of the majority of the field. Plus you also have to take into account the amount of TV coverage a driver gets for his team, again I think Skaife is up there with coverage time, thus it increases his worth.

The main coverage I've seen this year is Skaife bogged, crashed or broken. Not what I would call good positive image for the man or marque he represents. Rd 11 Symmons Plains, started on pole and finished 16th. Fast car one thing, good driving something else.

[HRT 1-2]

The main coverage I've seen this year is Skaife bogged, crashed or broken. Not what I would call good positive image for the man or marque he represents. Rd 11 Symmons Plains, started on pole and finished 16th. Fast car one thing, good driving something else.

You obviously didn't watch the race today if that is your summation! He dropped the positions in the pits not on the track:rolleyes5:

[Nobes]

His left rear tyre was not done up correctly, he had to pit twice. On a track that has a 52 sec lap, I'd say 16th was a good salvage effort.

[james]

His left rear tyre was not done up correctly, he had to pit twice. On a track that has a 52 sec lap, I'd say 16th was a good salvage effort.Amen to that .Hope he at least gets a good no stuff up race in either of the last two events of this years series.Best that he pass Bingle in the next race and keep him as far away as possible from the front runners.

[james]

The main coverage I've seen this year is Skaife bogged, crashed or broken. Not what I would call good positive image for the man or marque he represents. Rd 11 Symmons Plains, started on pole and finished 16th. Fast car one thing, good driving something else.Perhaps a few laps around the Island with Skaife driving may change your mind STILL one the best drivers with a driving record to prove it.

[cooper1117]

The main coverage I've seen this year is Skaife bogged, crashed or broken. Not what I would call good positive image for the man or marque he represents. Rd 11 Symmons Plains, started on pole and finished 16th. Fast car one thing, good driving something else.


Waldo it is fairly apparent that Skaife is not your man. Are you man enough to put up to the forum who you believe is the series best driver and deserved of the biggest pay packet???? I wait in anticipation because there are no drivers in the current field that can better Skaifes record. And just also remind us of which sports person and or team that are able to back up the best results year after year after year in thier chosen sport. No such animal exists, plenty have great records and purple patches but no one can consistanly deliver in any sport. Thus if a superstar has a few off games or seasons does that mean he/she aint worth the money??? I would love to hear who your model for consistency is. I could do with a laugh.

[Dale Robertson]

If this bloke is so good , at Bathurst when his car broke did he stay and sign autographs for the public, or for the people who pay a lot of money to join team red, or did he offer to do comenting for tv or hang around the merchandising caravans, No the big sook packed up his ball and was back in melb. that arvo. Now before all you Skaife disciples jump on me just have a think about it, young kids go to the races with parents and as soon as his toy is broken he's goooone!!!!

[05shan]

If this bloke is so good , at Bathurst when his car broke did he stay and sign autographs for the public, or for the people who pay a lot of money to join team red, or did he offer to do comenting for tv or hang around the merchandising caravans, No the big sook packed up his ball and was back in melb. that arvo. Now before all you Skaife disciples jump on me just have a think about it, young kids go to the races with parents and as soon as his toy is broken he's goooone!!!!
Mate, ive met Skaify more than once and i have to say he was nothing but great to all that were there on all occasions. Most of the time staying longer than most others. We all have disappointing days, and to go out on lap 1 of Bathurst would have to be one of the biggest disappoints of the year, considering what was up for grabs and the fact it was a very emotional year for a lot of the drivers.

At least he finished higher than Low-downes today:p

[cooper1117]

If this bloke is so good , at Bathurst when his car broke did he stay and sign autographs for the public, or for the people who pay a lot of money to join team red, or did he offer to do comenting for tv or hang around the merchandising caravans, No the big sook packed up his ball and was back in melb. that arvo. Now before all you Skaife disciples jump on me just have a think about it, young kids go to the races with parents and as soon as his toy is broken he's goooone!!!!


See this is exactly where racing drivers doing their job for money or doing it because of the passion exists. At the end of the day its good to get the money but most of these drivers do it because racing is in their blood. HRT put everything into the bathurst attempt and it went horribly wrong on the first lap. No wonder Skaife was upset, any driver would have following all the preparation, and considering he thought it was his best chance to deliver for his mate Brock. I think he could be excused for the departure and not wanting to face the public. You could see the pain he was in when he was interviewed 1/2 an hour after the incident.

Goes to show no matter how much the driver is paid they still show the emotions of the win/lose regardless of the money in the bank.

[xtreem2001]

WOW - Lets sink the boots into Lowndes. He probably cant win the championship now. BUT all Holden fans can REJOICE. It was a HOLDEN that finished what the officials started a few weeks back. That has to make EVERY HOLDEN FAN smile. Who knows one day your guys might actually win a round in taking out the championship. Maybe all the Ingall knockers have forgotten what they were complaining about 12 months ago. For all those HOLDEN fans that have, check out R Kellys record for 06. NOT A ROUND WIN IN SIGHT.

[05shan]

[quote=xtreem2001;167978]WOW - Lets sink the boots into Lowndes. He probably cant win the championship now.

Lowndes??? I thought Skaife was the kickin boy at the mo:D .
Kelly...The consistency king;)

[lukey73]

WOW - Lets sink the boots into Lowndes. He probably cant win the championship now. BUT all Holden fans can REJOICE. It was a HOLDEN that finished what the officials started a few weeks back. That has to make EVERY HOLDEN FAN smile. Who knows one day your guys might actually win a round in taking out the championship. Maybe all the Ingall knockers have forgotten what they were complaining about 12 months ago. For all those HOLDEN fans that have, check out R Kellys record for 06. NOT A ROUND WIN IN SIGHT.

Speaking for yourself again i see Xtreem!

I am a Holden car person but would love to see Craig win the Championship. You go on about the points system and one R.Kelly not having won a round dont blame him blame the idiots on the Gold Coast who run the series, there is no reward for winning rounds if you cant finish in others, name of the game is to finish consistently at position 6 or better in every race do that and you win the championship simple and it has been explained a 1000 times before.

Craig seems to be unlucky since his Bathurst win, so of it his own doing other things could have been avoided.

My pick for JDR is Lee Holdsworth, GRM have a good car getting better but think Lee could be ripe for the picking if Larry plays his cards right.

[05shan]

I heard the new points system is more rewarding to drivers who win races.

[Holden2003]

If this bloke is so good , at Bathurst when his car broke did he stay and sign autographs for the public, or for the people who pay a lot of money to join team red, or did he offer to do comenting for tv or hang around the merchandising caravans, No the big sook packed up his ball and was back in melb. that arvo. Now before all you Skaife disciples jump on me just have a think about it, young kids go to the races with parents and as soon as his toy is broken he's goooone!!!!

What else was he meant to do? Indy was the next round, with a reputation of being a car breaker. He had 2 seriously damaged cars. He had a dream that day absolutely shattered within 20 seconds. If he was in the commentary booth he'd be winging about it too much.

As for signatures and merchandise, wasn't Australias biggest race on?

And don't fans at sport fixtures just leave when there team is a mile behind because it is too painful to watch? Theres no doubt the HRT cars were the fastest enduro cars in both races, probably the fastest cars on the grid. Skaifes priority was his team and cars, and if any other team lost its cars they would have done the same thing he did.

[Oh Five]

WOW - Lets sink the boots into Lowndes. He probably cant win the championship now. BUT all Holden fans can REJOICE. .

What do you mean he cant win the championship:confused: there are 2 1/2 rounds to go. In the space of 1 round kelly has made up around 130 points (dont know/care about exact figure). get your 888/holden hatred eyes off for a while.
P.S SOME holden fans are STILL Lowndes fans.

[Martin Thomas]

WOW - Lets sink the boots into Lowndes. He probably cant win the championship now. BUT all Holden fans can REJOICE. It was a HOLDEN that finished what the officials started a few weeks back. That has to make EVERY HOLDEN FAN smile. Who knows one day your guys might actually win a round in taking out the championship. Maybe all the Ingall knockers have forgotten what they were complaining about 12 months ago. For all those HOLDEN fans that have, check out R Kellys record for 06. NOT A ROUND WIN IN SIGHT.

Oh man, what a bitter little boy you are.
As much as I could make out, I think it was Wincup who started the whole thing that ended Lowndes DAY, not championship.
Not many true fans bagged Ingall, they bagged the points system. The same points system that has Lowndes coming second.;)

[HRT 1-2]

WOW - Lets sink the boots into Lowndes. He probably cant win the championship now. BUT all Holden fans can REJOICE. It was a HOLDEN that finished what the officials started a few weeks back. That has to make EVERY HOLDEN FAN smile. Who knows one day your guys might actually win a round in taking out the championship. Maybe all the Ingall knockers have forgotten what they were complaining about 12 months ago. For all those HOLDEN fans that have, check out R Kellys record for 06. NOT A ROUND WIN IN SIGHT.

Sounds like you and ya mate Dale have been on the grape again, best leave the keyboard alone when you've had your glass and a half:p

BTW, great posts cooper1117:)

[wayno]

WOW - Lets sink the boots into Lowndes. He probably cant win the championship now. BUT all Holden fans can REJOICE. It was a HOLDEN that finished what the officials started a few weeks back. That has to make EVERY HOLDEN FAN smile. Who knows one day your guys might actually win a round in taking out the championship. Maybe all the Ingall knockers have forgotten what they were complaining about 12 months ago. For all those HOLDEN fans that have, check out R Kellys record for 06. NOT A ROUND WIN IN SIGHT.

Well done. Another quality post from your poisoned keyboard.
By the way, where has the boot been sunk into Lowndes?
Lowndes probably can't win the championship? You must be as good at math as you are at a reasoned argument. :D
He can still very easily win the title. Fifty points is nothing with this joke of a points system. Plenty of fight left in this yet. ;)

[spoonster05]

WOW - Lets sink the boots into Lowndes. He probably cant win the championship now. BUT all Holden fans can REJOICE. It was a HOLDEN that finished what the officials started a few weeks back. That has to make EVERY HOLDEN FAN smile. Who knows one day your guys might actually win a round in taking out the championship. Maybe all the Ingall knockers have forgotten what they were complaining about 12 months ago. For all those HOLDEN fans that have, check out R Kellys record for 06. NOT A ROUND WIN IN SIGHT.

Save your bitterness for the points system, I'm a Holden fan but I would like to see the title go to driver who scores the most wins, podiums, etc

At least next year we may get a true champion for the first time in a couple of seasons..

[wayno]

At least next year we may get a true champion for the first time in a couple of seasons..

That is something I am eagerly looking forward to. Now all they have to do is make the cars more able to pass. :rolleyes:

[spoonster05]

That is something I am eagerly looking forward to. Now all they have to do is make the cars more able to pass. :rolleyes:

Totally agree, I wouldn't mind seeing the cars bodywork beefed up a little as well so a bit of rubbin' racing can take place without the 'glass jaw' front and rear bumpers, etc they currently have breaking far too easily

[cooper1117]

I am going to jump on the band wagon as well and say its not about R.Kelly but the points system. I am a Holden man at heart, but more importantly I am a motorsport fan. As a motorsport fan I think it is crazy that Kelly is pushing Lowndes for the title this year. Lowndes from the performances already this year should have his name on the championship trophy already. Just to show how crazy the system is, Ingel is currently fourth in the championship with only one podium, a second. I think it would be bad for the V8 series if Lowndes does not take the title.

Dont write off Lowndes, did anyone actually see where he finished yesterday!! Even though he was 2 laps down he came from the rear of the grid to finish in about 7th from the front (be it 2 laps down). So today with him starting on the same lap and at the back of the grid, if he charges through I can definately see a top 10 in the first race today and then a top 3 in race 2. My prediction is that Kelly will be no more than 100 points in front by the end of the day. And as quoted before, 100 points is only one mistake considering the final 2 rounds are 3 race events.

[Holden2003]

Most of us agree that Russell last year did not drive like a champion, or should of been champion, but he came out on top of the V8's point tally, no matter how ridiculous it is, which is the requirement to be a champion, therefore he was a deserving champion. Same case for Rick this year if same thing happens.

Rick has been in the shadow of Lowndes, but his record was pretty amazing in no of podium finishes. Only 1 first, but 6 seconds and 3 thirds (including yesterdays race), making him a consistent finisher. He deserves his high position in the table of the championship. However, I won't be a happy fan if Rick is made champion and the evidence shows Lowndes has the better stats.

You can, in theory in this championship, win every race in this championship until the final race, then retire in that final race, and that still does not guarantee that you will be the champion, depending on how consistent your rivals have been.

[xtreem2001]

Sorry boys I dont hit the "turps" like some forum members obviously do. It would appear the ONLY other person who thinks the championship is ALL BUT LOST is Lowndes himself. Crompton commented that Lowndes seems to be losing interest. A true cynic might suggest that the 2 Holden team mates that struck trouble yesterday and moved Kelly up a couple of spots could be the reason Lowndes knows the true score.

As for being a cranky so and so GO BACK and read ALL the posts before accusing me of being a moron. The guys name is Lowndes NOT the conveniently incorrect spelling used by a forum member who also happens to have 05 in his forum identity.

Yet again you bunch of losers kick up BIG TIME when someone points out the truth. Wayno take a leaf outta your own advice. BUILD YA OWN BRIDGE MATE. Or is it you are a cork sniffer.

[05shan]

I saw no evidence in the footage of craig that suggests he thinks the championship is over, what a load! As for the suggestion that Skaify THREW his spot away for Kelly, that is ridicules. Even if he did, that is his decision.;)
The other comment (low-downs) was just a joke, mate you take yourself to seriously:p. I still have a soft spot for CL:cool:

[HRT 1-2]

Sorry boys I dont hit the "turps" like some forum members obviously do. It would appear the ONLY other person who thinks the championship is ALL BUT LOST is Lowndes himself. Crompton commented that Lowndes seems to be losing interest. A true cynic might suggest that the 2 Holden team mates that struck trouble yesterday and moved Kelly up a couple of spots could be the reason Lowndes knows the true score.

As for being a cranky so and so GO BACK and read ALL the posts before accusing me of being a moron. The guys name is Lowndes NOT the conveniently incorrect spelling used by a forum member who also happens to have 05 in his forum identity.

Yet again you bunch of losers kick up BIG TIME when someone points out the truth. Wayno take a leaf outta your own advice. BUILD YA OWN BRIDGE MATE. Or is it you are a cork sniffer.

Drama Queen:p

BTW, which Holden driver was finishing off what the officials couldn't, seeing as his team mate has taken responsibility for the incident?:rolleyes:

[lukey73]

Drama Queen:p

BTW, which Holden driver was finishing off what the officials couldn't, seeing as his team mate has taken responsibility for the incident?:rolleyes:


Maybe Xtreem should join the Ford oh sorry Classics Forum, they love Ford people over there. Here (http://216.127.76.111/~ccforum.net/index.php) is the link for you Xtreem just incase you couldnt find it.:D

[xtreem2001]

Geez the WAYNO GOD SQUAD grows by the minute. Dont forget the flares boyz. Typical response from a bunch of RED TEAM followers. You worship a bankrupt and will put up with ANY amount of cheating as long as your beloved RED CARS win. Very sporting lot you are.

Having checked the signatures of some of you I have suddenly realised a good portion of you guys are probably off to bed once the IDOL is finished. Here I was thinking this was an open minded forum where ANYBODY had the chance to express an opinion without personal attacks. Haven't copped so many pathetic jibes since I left school. By the way have any of you actually LEFT SCHOOL YET??????????

[inter]

you know what guys, i do agree with Xtreem.

;)

[daggy]

Im afraid to say but you are the one whinging like a schoolgirl.
Just like lowndes. Weeeeeweeeeee. Rick is blocking me. Weeeeeeeweeeeee. Its no fair. Weeeeeeeweeeeeee. Its raining and my car is wet. Weeeeeweeeeee.
His team is always saying. "Yes craig. We can see. Calm down and get on with the job"
And it was a bit poor seeing brighty's woman laughing when rick went for a slide into the advertising sign. I bet she didnt find it funny when bright himself went off and lost the lead. Or when he stalled in the pits and lost his 8 second lead.

[Chev_350]

Here I was thinking this was an open minded forum where ANYBODY had the chance to express an opinion without personal attacks.

you expressed your opinon, they expressed theirs.....think about it,


I always thought any post with a :D or :) shouldn't be taken too seriously....

[lukey73]

Here I was thinking this was an open minded forum where ANYBODY had the chance to express an opinion without personal attacks. Haven't copped so many pathetic jibes since I left school. By the way have any of you actually LEFT SCHOOL YET??????????

What an oxy moron this post is, once again Xtreem you have contradicted yourself within the space of 20 words.

I for one and sick of hearing the RED team BLUE team rubbish, i want the best driver/team to win, my major preferrence is for one C.Lowndes to win but the way its going that wont happen, as much as i would like to see a Holden driver win it if Craig didnt then i would go for G.Tander over R.Kelly anyday.

But back to the topic at hand. Still think that McConville would do better in an all Black car than a Red/Black car, with the way Shane Price has driven this year he could be a good chance to step to main game just hope his effort in Tasie isnt considered, must be coz he had PMM signage on the car why he got brain fade as it seems to follow that signage around.

[Dingo]

you know what guys, i do agree with Xtreem.

;)
Which part, the dribbling about Holden and Walkinshaw, or the comments on the age of the forum members?

:D

[xtreem2001]

Lukey73 - I didn't start the mud slinging. I happened to make a posting of what I BELIEVE to be a rather one sided affair in regard to decisions made by officials. If you want me to clarify WHY I consider it to be one sided, I am happy to do so. Firstly it was Dumbrell that hit Whincup. The official decision is that it was a racing incident. BUT, that very same Holden driver has a record of being involved in these type of incidents and I seem to recall that in New Zealand a few years back he wasn't quite so lucky with the officials. After the debacle of the Gold Coast does anyone honestly expect Triple Eight or Whincup to question the officials again. Hardle worth the effort based on the past few weeks. Whincup has NO OPTION other than to tow the line set by the officials, whether he wants to or not. By the way perhaps you can explain why Kelly was NOT pinged for exiting pit lane incorrectly. You seem to have your finger on the pulse. As for Ford forums I would rather enjoy a rational debate between supporters of both badges. It would seem most Holden supporters dont agree.

Chev_350 - For my part I was happy posting my thoughts on a PUBLIC FORUM in a manner WHICH WAS NOT OFFENSIVE to other users. However, the usual suspects have decided to get "personal" yet again. It really is time a few "regulars" learnt that a forum is availble to users who wish to post their own views. These views DO NOT have to align with the self professed "experts" of all things motor sport to be constructive. It is a real pity that some feel they have a licence to ridicule on this forum. For my part I will not simply sit back and let these "cheap shots" slide. If you live in a glass house dont throw stones.

Daggy - Now that you have raised the matter I am more than happy to respond. How any HOLDEN supporter can suggest C Lowndes is a whinger simply astounds me. Please look back over the past media efforts of one R Kelly before making ridiculous statements. Better still I can direct you to the interview Kelly delivered after he was passed by McConville a few years back. If that doesn't satisfy you check out his effort in NZ after he tangled with Lowndes. Then you can also watch his response at the Melbourne Gp a few years back. I could list a few more but really dont see the point. I do notice that none of the other critics have pulled YOU UP on your post. A friendly tip: Dont use a forum name with xtreem in it. Seems the boyz get a bit arky if you do.

HRT 1-2 - I wont bother responding to your post as it has been answered above. You certainly are passionate if a little bit one eyed. At least you have always bagged me so I can skip your posts in the same way I do Waynos. If you do decide to stick to the subject and not get personal I will be more than happy to respond.

05shan - Crompton made the comment before race 2 today. He said he had spoken to Lowndes and that Lowndes had said "off air" that he could see the championship slipping away. Crompton did say he hoped it was only due to the fact Lowndes was feeling "flat" after race one BUT you would also have to consider that Lowndes is NOT going to say those things in public because he would probably cop another fine for bringing the sport into disrepute. Watching the "big four" Holden team in action this weekend I hardly think Lowndes can be classed as a "sook" for realising he is fighting an uphill battle when it is essentially 4 against 1.

[lukey73]

Lukey73 - I didn't start the mud slinging. I happened to make a posting of what I BELIEVE to be a rather one sided affair in regard to decisions made by officials. If you want me to clarify WHY I consider it to be one sided, I am happy to do so. Firstly it was Dumbrell that hit Whincup. The official decision is that it was a racing incident. BUT, that very same Holden driver has a record of being involved in these type of incidents and I seem to recall that in New Zealand a few years back he wasn't quite so lucky with the officials. After the debacle of the Gold Coast does anyone honestly expect Triple Eight or Whincup to question the officials again. Hardle worth the effort based on the past few weeks. Whincup has NO OPTION other than to tow the line set by the officials, whether he wants to or not. By the way perhaps you can explain why Kelly was NOT pinged for exiting pit lane incorrectly. You seem to have your finger on the pulse. As for Ford forums I would rather enjoy a rational debate between supporters of both badges. It would seem most Holden supporters dont agree.




See here you go again, i havent seen anything you have said regarding the Dumbrell/Whincup incident and just for the record here on this forum i agree with you that it was Dumbrell's fault. All he had to do was lift off the throttle fall back into line and get him at the end of the back straight.

Gold Coast was a debarcle but the drivers had the breifing were told what was expected of them pure and simple, unfortunately Craig intrepreted the rules his way and it went against him this time.

As for Kelly and co not being pinged for the Pitlane incident, i cant tell you as i didnt see it, i had the race on but didnt watch it was busy building Ikea ( gee wasnt that fun ) but from what i understand is that Rick and few others did cut the pit exit in the one of the wet races all i can put it down to is them being lenient due to the inclement weather. Not right but if others did and got away with it then fair.

As for rational debate, we could have one if we all agreed with you it seems, for when someone disagree's we all become Idol followers who are alcholics and are loosers, now if thats rational please relaease me from the funny farm!:rolleyes:

And drop the generalisation of Holden V Ford supporters will ya, nothing from what i see on here could be further from the truth we all just want a good fair series and hope that if we are a Holden supporter a Holden wins and the same for the Ford fans i would say, it only really gets us divided when its a really iffy moment like Bathurst with Murphy and Ambrose last year.

[wayno]

extreem, for a guy that doesn't read my posts you certainly seem to know a lot about them. :rolleyes:
And Rex Hunt makes out that fishing is hard! :D

[toddy05]

I am completely lost, I have not been on here for a few days and I miss all the action... what is this thread about? Can anyone help?My computer must be playing up I keep pressing the thread about JDR and I end up in this one where JDR has not been mentioned much at all. I only recently updated to Internet Explorer 7 so maybe that is the problem, anyone else experiencing same?

[Chev_350]

Ok gents how bout we get this back on track.....Nathan, could we please get some house cleaning like what happened to the Rick Kelly thread a week or so ago.

[wayno]

But back to the topic at hand. Still think that McConville would do better in an all Black car than a Red/Black car, with the way Shane Price has driven this year he could be a good chance to step to main game just hope his effort in Tasie isnt considered, must be coz he had PMM signage on the car why he got brain fade as it seems to follow that signage around.

I would love to see McConville at Jack Daniels Racing. The guy has had a rotten run of luck and deserves a good drive as I rate him highly.

[wayno]

Ok gents how bout we get this back on track.....Nathan, could we please get some house cleaning like what happened to the Rick Kelly thread a week or so ago.

I don't think it needs it as it would only add to the persecution complex some seem to have. Better to let everyone have their say and move on I think.

[Martin Thomas]

A true cynic might suggest that the 2 Holden team mates that struck trouble yesterday and moved Kelly up a couple of spots could be the reason Lowndes knows the true score.


No, that would be an IDIOT who would suggest that. the problem is for every comment you make like that, you need 10 decent comments before people will take you seriously again.

What a stupid thing to suggest.:rolleyes:

[VXfan]

Wow,I go away for a while and come back to the wrong forum!Is this Classic carlectables?:p
What a bunch of drama queens!As for the constant Skaife bashing,grow up and show an ounce of respect for a great aussie champion (this is Australia isn't it?)
Tall poppie syndrome is truly for the lowest of the low.:mad:
As for JD Racing I plump for Shane and Jack with Dumbrell off to Supercheap (or whatever they will be called)
Hope the other threads haven't turned as juvenile as this load of tripe or I think I'll take a few more days off.:rolleyes:
Cheers,
Tony.

[rex555]

I reckon that it will be Dumbrell in the lead car and Shane Price in the second car with a one year contract and Jack Perkins in the development series for another year. Depending on how Price goes you could see Jack in the second car in 2008.

FWIW, I'm no fan of Skaifes but I respect what he has achieved and I wouldn't wish the year that he's had on anyone (excepy maybe Paul Morris ;) )

[HRT 1-2]

Firstly it was Dumbrell that hit Whincup. The official decision is that it was a racing incident. BUT, that very same Holden driver has a record of being involved in these type of incidents and I seem to recall that in New Zealand a few years back he wasn't quite so lucky with the officials. After the debacle of the Gold Coast does anyone honestly expect Triple Eight or Whincup to question the officials again. Hardle worth the effort based on the past few weeks. Whincup has NO OPTION other than to tow the line set by the officials, whether he wants to or not.

HRT 1-2 - I wont bother responding to your post as it has been answered above. You certainly are passionate if a little bit one eyed. At least you have always bagged me so I can skip your posts in the same way I do Waynos. If you do decide to stick to the subject and not get personal I will be more than happy to respond.



It is one thing to "tow the line" and something else completely to admit fault. I'm not suggesting one way or another who is to blame for the incident but, Whincup didn't need to openly admit fault to avoid scrutiny!

I don't believe I have "always bagged you", I respond to comments when I see fit and I agree with what Chev_350 said, if there are smilies used, I take it in jest!;)

[inter]

Which part, the dribbling about Holden and Walkinshaw, or the comments on the age of the forum members?

:D


the dribbling about Lowndes criticisum of him being a whinger??? I think that is far off the mark.

a little childish??

[Mickcals]

Well word going around is that Jack Perkins and Shane Price will driver for JDR next year, due to the fact that they wont cost Perkins much in terms of paying the drivers

[wayno]

the dribbling about Lowndes criticisum of him being a whinger??? I think that is far off the mark.

a little childish??

The only thing childish is the carrying on with a juvenile post about Lowndes done in this thread after an off the cuff remark which was a joke.

[monarocveightz]

Wow,I go away for a while and come back to the wrong forum!Is this Classic carlectables?:p
What a bunch of drama queens!As for the constant Skaife bashing,grow up and show an ounce of respect for a great aussie champion (this is Australia isn't it?)
Tall poppie syndrome is truly for the lowest of the low.:mad:
As for JD Racing I plump for Shane and Jack with Dumbrell off to Supercheap (or whatever they will be called)
Hope the other threads haven't turned as juvenile as this load of tripe or I think I'll take a few more days off.:rolleyes:
Cheers,
Tony.

Thats exactly what i thought when i came back from Tassie, and now seeing arguements about things other than JDR:shocked3:

[jediholden]

Well ,with the post referring to the JDR Team for next year and other supposed team swaps, can anyone confirm the Mc'conville rumour of him going to JDR or Holdsworth for that matter. The magazine where I read all the team changes for next year did not mention either of these rumours. However, there is a rumour Dumbrell is going to SACR, so maybe Macca and Dumbrell are swapping teams.

[xtreem2001]

Yet again WAYNO, YOU HAVE TAKEN IT UPON YOURSELF to decide what is right and wrong in regard to this forum. The FORUM is AN OPEN place for members to post and unless I am mistaken YOU have equal right to an opinion just like the rest of us. YOU DO NOT have the authority to decide who should be "BAGGED" and therefore turn genuine threads into a "slinging match". I WILL REPEAT I did not start with the "gutter talk" but will gladly accomadate you with similar replies if you desire.

It would seem you have a personal issue with most things I post. That is your problem AND NOT MINE. As for my views on the championship I am not going to be swayed by someone who takes EVERY OPPORTUNITY to reply with childish responses. I enjoy a constructive arguement and DO AGREE with some of the constructive opinions on this forum even id they do differ from mine. You however have NOT offered any opinion other than that my key board is poisoned, I am a juvenile and my kowledge in motorsport must be very limited. As you are the one with the attitude I question your motives other than to be disruptive.

For those of you that think I am being one sided, I will add this. In a very similar incident yesterday Ingall was penalised for contact made with Bargwanna. If there is consistency in this formula that would put at least a portion of blame on Dumbrell for Saturdays accident. My guess is that the triple eight team (including drivers) have been told to cross the T's and dot their I's in light of recent events.

Martin Thomas - You claim it is ridiculous to suggest the remaining 3 cars are not "helping" R Kelly. Strange then that Todd did not hold up his brother in race 3 yesterday nor did Tander in race 1 when he struck engine trouble. Perhaps you would also suggest that the 2 laps done by R Kelly with the large piece of foam wedged in his grille could not be deemed to be a risk to other drivers. That is at odds with what officials have deemed as unsafe in the past and forced drivers to pit. It was probably also an oversight on their part that Kelly cut the pit exit. It would seem drivers can and were pinged well after the race on the Gold Coast (Lowndes and Courtney were penalised AFTER the completion of race one) but not in Tasmania. Maybe there is no campaign to see a HOLDEN victorious this year. BUT if that is the case then Kelly should buy a lottery ticket because he sure has a LOT OF luck on his side.

[VXfan]

OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD PUT YOUR BLOODY HANDBAG AWAY AND LETS GET THIS BLOODY THREAD BACK ON TRACK SHALL WE??!!!! (yes I can use capitals too!:p )
Go and have ur hissy fit in either a separate thread or via the pm system please!This thread has been totally ruined by absolute dribble (from a number of people whether they be 'red' or 'blue')
This is just too ridiculous for words!:mad:
Cheers,
Tony.

[cooper1117]

You hit the nail on the head Xtreem - Kelly has the luck at the moment, as in sport sometimes the 50/50 calls go your way, other times when your lucks against you the 50/50's always go against you. But as always luck swings around, so maybe his bad days are around the corner - either that or Skaife is taking the bad luck for ALL the Holden drivers.:D

Anyway let me throw up something here - forget the arguements wether the series is going to be won by Holden or Ford, because who really cares??? Ingell the current champion has received no favours or real coverage because he is current champion. By the middle of next year we wont care who was series champion last year. IMO the Bathurst crown is more important, Lowndes already has that.

To further my point, the CEO of Ford Australia was quoted as saying before Bathurst he did not care about the championship, he wanted Bathurst. Well he got that, he pays the bills, he's happy, so all Ford fans should be also.

BTW - Larry should give Jack a go in his team - otherwise what's the use of having a father who owns a race team!!

The championship still has 6 races to go, its still up for grabs, R Kelly's name is not engraved in the trophy yet!!!

[jediholden]

Well ,with the post referring to the JDR Team for next year and other supposed team swaps, can anyone confirm the Mc'conville rumour of him going to JDR or Holdsworth for that matter. The magazine where I read all the team changes for next year did not mention either of these rumours. However, there is a rumour Dumbrell is going to SACR, so maybe Macca and Dumbrell are swapping teams.

Err..like I said, can anybody confirm these rumours about Macca and Holdsworth or should I lay low til' this thing blows over:confused:

[jediholden]

The championship still has 6 races to go, its still up for grabs, R Kelly's name is not engraved in the trophy yet!!![/quote]

Not yet. But it will be:D :D.

[VXfan]

Err..like I said, can anybody confirm these rumours about Macca and Holdsworth or should I lay low til' this thing blows over:confused:
Don't know about the Macca and Holdsworth rumours but the 'Dumbrell to Scar' has been doing the rounds for a while now.
Cheers,
Tony.
P.S. Love the signature mate,another winner.:D

[jediholden]

Thanks.

And thanks for the compliment.

[wayno]

Yet again WAYNO, YOU HAVE TAKEN IT UPON YOURSELF to decide what is right and wrong in regard to this forum. The FORUM is AN OPEN place for members to post and unless I am mistaken YOU have equal right to an opinion just like the rest of us. YOU DO NOT have the authority to decide who should be "BAGGED" and therefore turn genuine threads into a "slinging match". I WILL REPEAT I did not start with the "gutter talk" but will gladly accomadate you with similar replies if you desire.

I think you are the one with issues. You weighed into this thread after an off the cuff remark by another member with another whining rant that was off topic. Plenty of people have stuck the boot into you before I even replied but I seem to be held out for special mention. I don't care if you have an issue with me or not. Have your say and don't take it so personally. You are quite prepared to say things in an offensive manner with your wording and the use of capital letters and when you draw a reaction you seem to take offence and direct vitriol at those you see as the culprits.
I'll say this again for the cheap seats. We have agreed with you numerous times about the inconsistent officiating and the ridiculous points system. You are not the only one to hold these views, but it's the system we have and we have to make the best of it wether we think it's right or wrong.

jediholden - The talk of Murphy going to Tasman has been around for a while, and from what I gather the Dumbrell to SCAR rumours started not long afterwards. Larry would then have two seats to fill. McConville can't be happy where he is and no matter how good Shane Price and young Jack turn out to be I can't see Jack Daniels being to happy at pouring big dollars into a team fronted by two rookies.
If they did demand a 'name' driver then McConville is about the only one that would be available IMO.
I hope he goes there. The black car has got to be better than the 'nail' he's been trying to drive ths year.

[BILLFORD1]

Jackie Perkins !!! :D

[rusky26]

Don't know about the Macca and Holdsworth rumours but the 'Dumbrell to Scar' has been doing the rounds for a while now.
Cheers,
Tony.

I dunno where I read - or heard on TV (from Rogers himself?), that Holdsworth and Canto are staying put - so I can't really confirm

[toddy05]

Leanne Tander....

[05shan]

05shan - Crompton made the comment before race 2 today. He said he had spoken to Lowndes and that Lowndes had said "off air" that he could see the championship slipping away. Crompton did say he hoped it was only due to the fact Lowndes was feeling "flat" after race one BUT you would also have to consider that Lowndes is NOT going to say those things in public because he would probably cop another fine for bringing the sport into disrepute. Watching the "big four" Holden team in action this weekend I hardly think Lowndes can be classed as a "sook" for realising he is fighting an uphill battle when it is essentially 4 against 1.
I spose Lowndes would feel a little jaded about the whole thing, but at least he got on with it. Something was mentioned on Sunday about ppl cutting the pit corner, i believe the drivers were given a warning about it on sunday morning B4 race 2.
CL could do with a little bit more support from the other ford guys, but it is a big money industry and the Holden boys want that tittle back in the red.
Hope McConville does go to JDR it will be good to see:D

[jediholden]

Once again, another hijacked post :furious3: .

[Donny05]

I would love to see McConville at Jack Daniels Racing. The guy has had a rotten run of luck and deserves a good drive as I rate him highly.


I'll second that! :)

[jediholden]

Agreed. SCAR really have to do something with VZ Lemon's of their's.

[lukey73]

Agreed. SCAR really have to do something with VZ Lemon's of their's.

Considering that the majority of there Chassis are over 5 yrs old i would say they are hanging out to build some new VE's, still think that Larry's cars will work better than SCAR ones but if they build the SCAR to suit Larrys motors it might be a god send the change to VE for SCAR

[Richard Poole]

The car that Murphy was in for this weekend was the same car that Bright crashed at Indy a few years ago so like Lukey said, they have some old cars running around. When I spoke with Kees on the weekend he was very excited to see VE come in for next year so hopefuly the PWR team can get the VE sorted early and we can add another team to the list of potential winners.

[HRT 1-2]

Considering that the majority of there Chassis are over 5 yrs old i would say they are hanging out to build some new VE's, still think that Larry's cars will work better than SCAR ones but if they build the SCAR to suit Larrys motors it might be a god send the change to VE for SCAR

I fail to see what the difference is between Larry's motors and the units they were running prior, considering all Holden runners are now using the HMS plant?

[brchi17]

I fail to see what the difference is between Larry's motors and the units they were running prior, considering all Holden runners are now using the HMS plant?

apparently it's got to do with where some items are located in the engine bay that differs to their previous engine, meaning that there is now more weight in the front, which has disturbed the overall balance of the vehicle - I wish I could be more technical, but I don't know the complete answer.

[wayno]

The car that Murphy was in for this weekend was the same car that Bright crashed at Indy a few years ago so like Lukey said, they have some old cars running around. When I spoke with Kees on the weekend he was very excited to see VE come in for next year so hopefuly the PWR team can get the VE sorted early and we can add another team to the list of potential winners.

He didn't tell ya who was driving for him next year did he? :D

[Chev_350]

The car that Murphy was in for this weekend was the same car that Bright crashed at Indy a few years ago so like Lukey said, they have some old cars running around.

You are kidding.....no wonder why they have been going so bad, I am suprised that car didn't find its way to a junk yard after that hit. Plus that car would have started life as a HRT VX maybe even a VT

[lukey73]

You are kidding.....no wonder why they have been going so bad, I am suprised that car didn't find its way to a junk yard after that hit. Plus that car would have started life as a HRT VX maybe even a VT

If its the car im thinking of, Bright debuted it in 02 with HRT and took it with him to Team Brock in 03. I seem to recall the car Paul Weel drove that year was from either 01 or 00 and yes it did start life as a VT.

Brad is right with the way Perkins package there motors differently to HRT, the block and internals are similar but it is the external components that make the biggest difference.

[05shan]

Wonder if we will have to wait till after Richo announces his defection to ford before we will know who is driving for JDR. 31 December is when Richo's contract expires (i believe?).

[HRT 1-2]

Wonder if we will have to wait till after Richo announces his defection to ford before we will know who is driving for JDR. 31 December is when Richo's contract expires (i believe?).

And no doubt Larry will hold him to the minute as he did Ingall!

[inter]

shane Price will drive for him

[jediholden]

It is known Price will drive for him. I've read the "all but" confirmation. The next question is....will Dumbrell go as well as has been suggested?

[05shan]

Does Dumbrell's contract run out same time as Richo's???
Most other drivers moves have been "leaked". Thought Dumbrells would have been by now. Might mean he's stayin'.

[jediholden]

I suppose it does. Because the rumour was in V8 magazine.

[hobby]

Hi again to all,

Larry has a reputation for giving drivers a start maybe not as good as Gary Rogers but still good.
I for one would like to see James Brock or james Moffat given a go.


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[Chev_350]

Dumbrell has been put on notice and has been told by Larry to step up his game, Paul is the teams preferred option but will asses options after the season. Got to say I would be somewhat suprised if, after all the trouble Dumbrell has put the team through (His first AGP, NZ + Bathurst last year)that the team would let him go when this has been his best season to date.

[05shan]

Dumbrell has been put on notice and has been told by Larry to step up his game, Paul is the teams preferred option but will asses options after the season. Got to say I would be somewhat suprised if, after all the trouble Dumbrell has put the team through (His first AGP, NZ + Bathurst last year)that the team would let him go when this has been his best season to date.
Yeah, it wouldnt make sense to let him go. Maybe thats what JDR need, a driver who hangs around for a few seasons.
Who knows what Larry is thinking.:D

[Leigh]

apparently it's got to do with where some items are located in the engine bay that differs to their previous engine, meaning that there is now more weight in the front, which has disturbed the overall balance of the vehicle - I wish I could be more technical, but I don't know the complete answer.
...isn't it just that they were running 18 degree motors until they swapped over to the HMS engines, which sit lower and further back in the engine bay than the 18 degree...I didn't think PWR ever ran a HMS built HMS motor...

PWR were the last team on the grid to be running the 18 degree...

PWR never had the engineering depth or capacity to solve problems before being part of the HRT empire...so why would they now they have left?

[HRT 1-2]

...isn't it just that they were running 18 degree motors until they swapped over to the HMS engines, which sit lower and further back in the engine bay than the 18 degree...I didn't think PWR ever ran a HMS built HMS motor...

PWR were the last team on the grid to be running the 18 degree...

PWR never had the engineering depth or capacity to solve problems before being part of the HRT empire...so why would they now they have left?


It's stretching the memory a bit but, I'm certain PWR were running non 18 degree HMS engines prior to the move to Larry!

[lukey73]

...isn't it just that they were running 18 degree motors until they swapped over to the HMS engines, which sit lower and further back in the engine bay than the 18 degree...I didn't think PWR ever ran a HMS built HMS motor...

PWR were the last team on the grid to be running the 18 degree...

PWR never had the engineering depth or capacity to solve problems before being part of the HRT empire...so why would they now they have left?

Think you could be right there Leigh, didnt Murph change to the new motor in China last year for the first time when his old one blew up? I seem to recall they were not sure if they could run it or not as they did not know if they had the right parts to change it over, also with Murph using a spanner too.

[brchi17]

Think you could be right there Leigh, didnt Murph change to the new motor in China last year for the first time when his old one blew up? I seem to recall they were not sure if they could run it or not as they did not know if they had the right parts to change it over, also with Murph using a spanner too.

They did change from one of the factory engines to the Perkins up there, but I'm not sure which Holden engine it was.....wasn't the 18deg engine outlawed from the end of the 2004 season ???

[05shan]

They did change from one of the factory engines to the Perkins up there, but I'm not sure which Holden engine it was.....wasn't the 18deg engine outlawed from the end of the 2004 season ???
I think there was an extension given to the deadline. Cant really recall, but i know there was a s@it fight over it by a lot of the other teams;)

[Chev_350]

I think there was an extension given to the deadline. Cant really recall, but i know there was a s@it fight over it by a lot of the other teams;)

There was a deadline, can't remeber exactly but the teams were told once they switched from the 18 degree to the 90 degree HMS or Aurora (Larry's) engines, they would not be able to go go back.....however HRT had a special consideration in 2004 when their only spare car "The Golden Child" had to be dragged out of retirement and the engine bay was set up for the 18 degree donk.