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Graeme
09-01-2007, 02:58 PM
On the cusp of releasing the 1:18 scale 956 model, I find myself reflecting ... hard to believe, and I wonder how many others realise, that it was ten years ago this May that Peter Brock announced his retirement from full-time competitive driving ... i.e. no more Brocky in V8 touring cars ... or V8 Supercars as they were about to be renamed.

Here is an excerpt of the announcement as recorded by HSV on their website of the times :


11.30am Thursday May 29, 1997.

AUSTRALIAN MOTOR RACING LEGEND TO RETIRE

Australia's best-known motor sport personality Peter Brock, today announced he will retire from full-time motor racing at the end of this season.

Speaking at a media conference in Melbourne today, Brock said that after thirty years at the top of motor racing, it was time to step aside and encourage the next generation of drivers.

"The time has come to move on." said Brock. "I have many new and exciting challenges which await me and I am extremely grateful for the understanding and support which Mobil, GMH and HSV have given me in allowing these new directions to come to pass."

Peter Brock is easily the most recognised and most successful driver in domestic motor racing, having won the Country's best known motor sport event the Bathurst 1000 at Mount Panorama a record 9 times. Add to that, 9 Sandown endurance titles, three Australian Touring Car Championships and a Round Australia Trial win and just about every motor sport accolade. There are not many achievements which have escaped the 52 year old from Melbourne.

Brock's career began in the late 1960's at 22 years of age at the Winton circuit in North East Victoria, driving a most unlikely looking car - an Austin A30 body shell, into which a Holden 6 cylinder engine, gearbox and differential was fitted.

"I built it in the chook shed on my parents' property, teaching myself about building race cars at the same time." Brock explained. "It was pretty rough, but it was all part of the learning experience and it went like the clappers.

"I had a bit of success in the car, which brought me to the attention of Harry Firth who was about to form the Holden Dealer Team. Back in 1948, my father was a Holden dealer on the Northern outskirts of Melbourne which was the start of a long association with GMH, so it was like a dream come true when I joined HDT. I've been closely linked to the General since I was born, and that's set to continue into the future." Brock said.

While Brock's on track activities will conclude at the end of this year, his association with the Holden Racing Team, Mobil and Holdens won't be ending.

The recent initiative by the Mobil Holden Racing Team in introducing the Holden "Young Lions" program to ensure the next generation of "Peter Brock's" are brought through the system, will keep Peter busy, along with maintaining a public role with the Team.

"The sport has changed dramatically from when I started." explained Peter. "The role of the driver is now more clearly defined with a greater focus on these aspects within the team, rather than being a 'jack of all trades'. In many respects, we are changing the face of motor sport.

"Traditionally, race teams and sponsors have had long partnerships with the drivers, in order to achieve compensation for their investment. Fundamentally, the Mobil Holden Racing Team is now embarking on a course of youth development, taking young talent, nurturing and guiding them in order to assist them in achieving their own goals. My job is to ensure they receive the best guidance I can give them and further, to give the Teams' sponsors value for money by continuing to have a very public presence." Brock outlined.

"If I can help the current drivers in our race team - be it with HRT or the Young Lions - and those of the future avoid some of the pitfalls I've faced along the way, it might make it a little easier for them." said Brock.

In making his announcement today, Brock said he was looking forward to ending his career on a high at the scene of his greatest triumphs - Mount Panorama at Bathurst on October 19 - and would reveal in a few weeks, the driver who shall share the seat in his #05 Commodore for his last tilt at a 10th Bathurst crown.

"Naturally Craig Lowndes will join Greg Murphy as they attempt to defend their Sandown 500 and Bathurst titles, while the Holden Young Lions car will be driven by our four young blokes, Jason Bargwanna ,Steven White, Mark Noske and Todd Kelly. As to my co-driver at Sandown and Bathurst? All I can say is, watch this space!"

Brock's retirement announcement allowed him to reflect on his 30 years in motor sport.

"I've been very fortunate to have made a career out of something I get great enjoyment out of doing." he stated. "Motor racing has taken me all around the world and allowed me to meet and make many friends. To have done all that and had some success along the way, is a very gratifying experience.

"I'd like to thank all the fans for their support over the years and be assured, I'll be giving Bathurst my best shot in October to try and give them that elusive 10th win." he concluded.

CowboyMatt
09-01-2007, 03:01 PM
How time flies...

ferrari fan
09-01-2007, 03:51 PM
We got a pitstraight 1-2-3 presentation finnish from here at Wanneroo raceway after the 1997 round, all signed Peter Brock, Glen Seton, Graig Lowndes and highest WA driver Grant Johnson.
Tis a big blown up laminated/block mounted item and does takes pride of place for sure.

toddy05
09-01-2007, 07:10 PM
Time does fly. The outpouring at Lakeside straight after that at the ATCC round was quite something. I went down on the Saturday and man it was so packed and took ages to stand in front of him but he gave each person something special in his time and attention. It was a very fitting retirement year as opposed to the several retirements thereafter.

wayno
09-01-2007, 11:31 PM
Hard to believe all my pics from that year are that old. Bathurst 97 was still Brocks last in my view.

toddy05
10-01-2007, 05:31 AM
mind you I do not mind that he came back for the 24hr race and won it, I cannot help but count it as his 10th...

cooper1117
10-01-2007, 05:45 AM
I remember standing in the rain at the Cutting watching Brock come around sideways every lap in 97. I got a photo or two of him doing it as well. 10 years - time flys. Funny to read that press release however, the secrecy about Skaife been the co-driver. His plans for retirement - NOT. Although not competitive in the ATCC he never really retired - I wonder if he knew that at the time?????

GRPIII
10-01-2007, 06:21 AM
I remember standing in the rain at the Cutting watching Brock come around sideways every lap in 97. I got a photo or two of him doing it as well. 10 years - time flys. Funny to read that press release however, the secrecy about Skaife been the co-driver. His plans for retirement - NOT. Although not competitive in the ATCC he never really retired - I wonder if he knew that at the time?????
are you refering to his last season in ATCC?
brock had a number of poles & race wins & top three finishes, hardly what i'd say not competitive, at bathurst although not a ATTC round, skaife may have qualifed the car but peter lead the entire first stint.
his last ATCC round at oran park, brock put it on pole with murph in the other HRT machine along side.
in his last 2 years at HRT he was very well placed in terms of qualifying & results along side 2 excellent teamates in lowdnes & murph, & in 96 lowdnes has a superior car which was demed the first supercar in terms of chassis & rollbar design.

cooper1117
10-01-2007, 07:10 AM
Although not competitive in the ATCC he never really retired - I wonder if he knew that at the time?????

Sorry massive mistake with one word there - meant to say Although not COMPETING in the ATCC. Huge error on word there!! SORRY :o

What I meant was that he never really retired from driving at the end of 97. Although not competing in the 'proper' circus he was active in motorsport well past 97.

Holden2003
10-01-2007, 07:59 AM
mind you I do not mind that he came back for the 24hr race and won it, I cannot help but count it as his 10th...

I can't count it as his 10th. The races are far too different. The 24 hour race could be won in the first 3-4hrs after you lapped all your main contenders and are in cruise mode for the rest of the race (driving to a predetermined lap time and rev limit) where as the 1000 is won on lap 161, where you do your best driving at the end of the race, with a lot more contenders at the end.

The 1000 in my opinion is far tougher then the 24 hour to win and his 9 wins should be separated from his 1 24 hr win.

toddy05
10-01-2007, 08:09 AM
Then could the 79 race be the same then as he had lapped the field 6 times and was for all intents and purposes in cruise mode. What about 72 when it wasn't even 1000k's....They all have equal merit as an enduraance race at the mountain in my opinion....It has only been since the safety cars were introduced that it has become much closer these days...

toddy05
10-01-2007, 08:29 AM
plus his nine wins were all made in an era where the safety car either did not exist or had very little influence on the outcome of the race. If you look at his 24 hr win, it was not sewn up in the first few hours it went down to the wire somewhat.

GRPIII
10-01-2007, 08:38 AM
think you'll find peter loved the long distance races like spa 24 hr & repco round australia rally more than your shorter distance races.
dont know how you can say a 24 hour race is won in the first hour, the monaros both had dramas a spent a lot of time in the pits around 25 mins for at one time, so i cant see how lapping everyone in the first hour makes winning any easier.
as much as the 1000 is a hard race to win, the new 12hr or 24hr is a much harder event to win.
it just doesnt have the cult following of the 1000 race

toddy05
10-01-2007, 09:10 AM
it just doesnt have the cult following of the 1000 race
Had all the right ingredients but perhaps needed the marketing flair and support by big names, teams and sponsors to pull it off...

monarocveightz
10-01-2007, 10:28 AM
mind you I do not mind that he came back for the 24hr race and won it, I cannot help but count it as his 10th...


I count it as his 10th too, it was a race at Bathurst and he won it, therefore for me it should count as his 10th

CowboyMatt
10-01-2007, 11:02 AM
I count it as his 10th too, it was a race at Bathurst and he won it, therefore for me it should count as his 10th

Using that criteria would you credit Jim Richards with extra wins for the production car races he won at Bathurst?

rex555
10-01-2007, 11:11 AM
Using that criteria would you credit Jim Richards with extra wins for the production car races he won at Bathurst?
Production car, Carrera Cup and anything else with wheels that he won driving around there?

Back on track, I went to Mallala to see Brockies last drive. What a shocker, caught up in incident after incident and ended up dropping back through the field. Time has flown being 10 years ago.

monarocveightz
10-01-2007, 03:58 PM
Using that criteria would you credit Jim Richards with extra wins for the production car races he won at Bathurst?


Not really, you have made a valid point.

but it was also called the Bathurst 24hr race so it can be classed as a Bathurst in my opinion.

monarocveightz
10-01-2007, 04:00 PM
sorry, posted twice

Holden2003
10-01-2007, 05:26 PM
plus his nine wins were all made in an era where the safety car either did not exist or had very little influence on the outcome of the race. If you look at his 24 hr win, it was not sewn up in the first few hours it went down to the wire somewhat.

The 72 win has to be counted as the reason it was not 1000km was due to the use of miles. The 79 race has to count.

In the 24 hour race both Monaros looked after each hour. I can't remember but in the last hour one of the 2 cars had a drama and had to pit. The other car slowed down so they could catch up so they could have a sprint at the end. At the start of the race there may of been a handful of contenders but due to the experience of the 8 drivers plus GRM, they were the only contenders in the race.

The 24 hour race is so fundamentally different to the 1000. You have to pass traffic from about lap 3 of the race. There is no goal for fuel strategy (basically fill to the top and go). The only thing is to make sure it runs and also follow the rules about driver stints, as well as sticking to a low rev limit and predetermined lap time.

The 1000 is about strategically placing yourself to the sprint at the end. Its about filling the car up so that you are up there in the end. The cars are also a more level field (yes there were classes in the past) then the 24 hour.

And to be honest, if we did not have a safety car now a fair few more officials and drivers would be killed by now. Its almost Crazy that there wasn't a safety car in the past.

malscar
10-01-2007, 05:28 PM
but it was also called the Bathurst 24hr race so it can be classed as a Bathurst in my opinion.

Maybe 'A race at Bathurst', not the annual 1000k race even though it was in a 2 door V8 Supercar. If you did classify it your way, what would have happened in '97 if he had won the Bathurst 1000 in the Vectra and then went out and won the V8 version a few weeks later in the Commodore?

Rob
10-01-2007, 05:31 PM
I think the difference is Peter won the Bathurst 1000 nine times
but including the 24hr he won @ Bathurst ten times. It has to be
the 1000 that counts in the total "Bathurst Wins".

Holden2003
10-01-2007, 05:38 PM
I count it as 9 1000 wins + 1 24 hr race

gab73
10-01-2007, 06:18 PM
To me he won Bathurst 10 times.
If you really want to get technical PB won
1 bathurst 500 mile race
8 bathurst 1000 races
1 Bathurst 24hr race

Oh Five
10-01-2007, 07:00 PM
24 posts and 10 are on topic, hang on this one makes 25;) :rolleyes:

racer69
11-01-2007, 12:51 AM
The 1000 is about strategically placing yourself to the sprint at the end. Its about filling the car up so that you are up there in the end. The cars are also a more level field (yes there were classes in the past) then the 24 hour.

Brock never won any of his Bathurst 500m/1000km races by strategically placing himself for a sprint to the end.

In all of his 6 victories between 1978-1984, he was in 'cruise & collect' mode for more than half of the race, even in the year he took over #25.