Brock Cars

[Holden Fan]

Can anyone help me with this dilema,

I have already the 1996 Brock Commodore in my collection and are interested in purchasing the 1995 & 1997 Brock commodore's in 1:18 scale. Can anyone help me understand what the differences are in these two model cars as they seem to be all the same as the 1996 car. Is there any photos that people can show me or direct me to the pictures so that i have a better understanding of these cars.

I have seen these cars on ebay and i am very confused so please could anyone help me out.

Thanks

[ferrari fan]

Best thing would be to get hold of the Biante CD; Australian cars The complete collection 1998-2004.
This will give you a detailed reference of all carmodels made by Biante till that date.
Bye the way ;Welcome to a great forum.
We will be able to be found on DA HILL next week at camp WAYNO.
see the tread about Bathurst for details,
regards Berty.

[Sats]

For starters they all had different liveries.
95 and 96 were VR Spec Commodores while the 97 was a VS (new front spoiler).
97 was also Peter's "first" Last Bathurst so that has more significance than the 95 car.

[monarocveightz]

1995
http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i118/monarocveig htz/?action=view&current=MVC-063S.jpg

1996
http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i118/monarocveig htz/?action=view&current=MVC-064S.jpg

1997
http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i118/monarocveig htz/?action=view&current=MVC-028S.jpg

sorry about pic quality, but as you can see,the livery's are slightly different each year,

[Footy]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120165939258

Hav'nt seen one of these before.

[minh427]

when brock and holden split, he began modifying other cars

[Holden Fan]

Thanks for you help in understanding the 1995, 1996 and 1997 brock commodores

[minh427]

im planning to make a 97 brock hrt commodore in 1/64 scale, i got a bare metal matchbox commodore lying around. dont know when biante is going to make one.

[btjia]

im planning to make a 97 brock hrt commodore in 1/64 scale, i got a bare metal matchbox commodore lying around. dont know when biante is going to make one.
Minh427, once you finish can you post pics up?

[minh427]

Minh427, once you finish can you post pics up?

no worries, got everything ready except for decals, still waiting for it to arrive

[minh427]

progress so far

5100

[Holden Fan]

:( Hi Guys, I seen a 1997 Brock / Skaife Commodore while surfing the internet. The guys wants $900.00 for it his gotting to be joking. Now one would pay that for that car, if inter say in his record keeping that average prices for that car are $188.00. Even if the C.O.A was low you would still even pay that for the car. Can any one tell me what a good price is to pay for it. :cool::cool:

[inter]

:( Hi Guys, I seen a 1997 Brock / Skaife Commodore while surfing the internet. The guys wants $900.00 for it his gotting to be joking. Now one would pay that for that car, if inter say in his record keeping that average prices for that car are $188.00. Even if the C.O.A was low you would still even pay that for the car. Can any one tell me what a good price is to pay for it. :cool::cool:


$188????????

my average is at $311 last 50 sales
last 10 sales are ;

Jul-07 330
Jul-07 315
Aug-07 416
Aug-07 416
Aug-07 302
Aug-07 310
Sep-07 290
Sep-07 306
Sep-07 290
Oct-07 239

$900 is too high any thing under $300 is a good price one sold last week for $239

hope this helps

[Dingo]

For those wondering why Biante have yet to announce any of Peter Brock's Bathurst-winning Commodores from the early 1980's (1980, 1982, 1983), a clue might be found in the latest newsletter from Classic Carlectables...

"The above exciting releases will form part of the 'Bathurst Collection'. CC are proud to announce that we are the holders of the sole license for the manufacture and sale of the above model cars.

"This is a long term license covering many years and during this time no other diecast manufacturer can produce these cars in model form."

If this is correct, then surely this is a big play for the hearts, minds, and wallets of Australian diecast collectors. With one company monopolizing the V8 Supercar market, and the same company appearing to be in a position of increasing their market share in the "historic" touring car arena, are we facing the prospect of having a situation where only one diecast manufacturer can survive in this country? Will anyone beyond the employees care? Having been spoiled for choice over the past nine years, has the market reached a saturation point where the only outcome can be the loss of one manufacturer?

A related point is the area of contracts, which is admittedly not a strong suit of mine. Has the passing of Brock led to the ties that Biante enjoyed with Peter failed to carry over to the estate of Brock? Is this one reason why Biante have decided to produce the Austin 7, as the number of cars remaining that they can license has suddenly dwindled?

Will we see a situation similar to the Grice/Bailey 1986 Bathurst winner where both companies will produce the same car, but obtaining permission from different people/corporations to do so? If so, what is to stop a well-funded corporation reaching into its pockets and producing Extorto-quality Australian diecast model cars at Extorto-quality prices - with or without a valid license?

[monarocveightz]

Times are certainly changing........

I personally can't see how CC got the license to make them from the PB estate, unless someone sold it off.

Perhaps it's just a way of CC trying to get more customers by saying that there's will be the only one


I've heard many rumours over the last 12 months about both companies, but they could be just that, rumours.

[rehau]

For those wondering why Biante have yet to announce any of Peter Brock's Bathurst-winning Commodores from the early 1980's (1980, 1982, 1983), a clue might be found in the latest newsletter from Classic Carlectables...



If this is correct, then surely this is a big play for the hearts, minds, and wallets of Australian diecast collectors. With one company monopolizing the V8 Supercar market, and the same company appearing to be in a position of increasing their market share in the "historic" touring car arena, are we facing the prospect of having a situation where only one diecast manufacturer can survive in this country? Will anyone beyond the employees care? Having been spoiled for choice over the past nine years, has the market reached a saturation point where the only outcome can be the loss of one manufacturer?

A related point is the area of contracts, which is admittedly not a strong suit of mine. Has the passing of Brock led to the ties that Biante enjoyed with Peter failed to carry over to the estate of Brock? Is this one reason why Biante have decided to produce the Austin 7, as the number of cars remaining that they can license has suddenly dwindled?

Will we see a situation similar to the Grice/Bailey 1986 Bathurst winner where both companies will produce the same car, but obtaining permission from different people/corporations to do so? If so, what is to stop a well-funded corporation reaching into its pockets and producing Extorto-quality Australian diecast model cars at Extorto-quality prices - with or without a valid license?

Not good news, can Biante reply to this????

[Dingo]

Not good news, can Biante reply to this????
They can, but I doubt they will. They have been reticent to reply to similar concepts, which I completely understand as being part and parcel of running a business.

[fordmad17]

No It not from the Peter Brock estate. Its from collector Peter Champion who has those Brock cars

[monarocveightz]

No It not from the Peter Brock estate. Its from collector Peter Champion who has those Brock cars

Ah yes I forgot about Peter Champion.........Biante still should be able to make the cars, as they have permission from PB/Brock estate, so I can't see why CC say they are the only ones allowed.

Maybe it's because of what I said before, make collectors think they can only get them from CC, so they go out and buy the CC ones

[rehau]

Ah yes I forgot about Peter Champion.........Biante still should be able to make the cars, as they have permission from PB/Brock estate, so I can't see why CC say they are the only ones allowed.

Maybe it's because of what I said before, make collectors think they can only get them from CC, so they go out and buy the CC ones

but is not that fasle advertising?

[fordmad17]

but is not that fasle advertising?

That is what I was thinking

[monarocveightz]

but is not that fasle advertising?

Yeah that is true.

Some turbulent times ahead by the look of it

[brchi17]

Not good news, can Biante reply to this????

that is the $64k question & one I doubt we'll never hear, but it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at a few law firms.....

Perhaps the deal classics have entered into with Peter Champion is similar to the one which they hold with the Bowen's, where apparently they have exclusive access to his race cars as that are at this very moment ???

As with all business it seems that one company can not be content until they have total domination or a monopoly of it's market place, which is such a shame. Surely there is enough of a market for both to work in harmony, rather idealistic i know...

I'll admit, with all this penny pinching & battling over P.B. that I also hold grave fears for the speedy outcome of this & with announcements like what Dingo posted sure does worry & confuse collectors. It appears that exclusivity of late only seems to mean that each manufacturer will make 1 version of it each :rolleyes:

[james]

Perhaps mister Champion has turned into the piper and want's to be paid.!!!!!!!!!

[brchi17]

Perhaps mister Champion has turned into the piper and want's to be paid.!!!!!!!!!

and playing the devil's advocate, I'd ask what has he done to earn it...???

[james]

and playing the devil's advocate, I'd ask what has he done to earn it...???
I give up.What has he done to earn it.

[brchi17]

I give up.What has he done to earn it.

I don't know the answer either, just putting up the question.

Apart from buying a few 2nd hand cars (yes I know it's a crude description) I don't see why he should & why he would be able to stop another party from reproducing those cars.....

[singer]

that is the $64k question & one I doubt we'll never hear, but it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at a few law firms.....

Perhaps the deal classics have entered into with Peter Champion is similar to the one which they hold with the Bowen's, where apparently they have exclusive access to his race cars as that are at this very moment ???

As with all business it seems that one company can not be content until they have total domination or a monopoly of it's market place, which is such a shame. Surely there is enough of a market for both to work in harmony, rather idealistic i know...

I'll admit, with all this penny pinching & battling over P.B. that I also hold grave fears for the speedy outcome of this & with announcements like what Dingo posted sure does worry & confuse collectors. It appears that exclusivity of late only seems to mean that each manufacturer will make 1 version of it each :rolleyes:

As I have said before, without seeing any of the Contracts between the relevant parties the issue will always be contencious.

As to false advertising, I have read the CC Newsletter & while it says

"The above exciting releases will form part of the 'Bathurst Collection'. CC are proud to announce that we are the holders of the sole license for the manufacture and sale of the above model cars.

"This is a long term license covering many years and during this time no other diecast manufacturer can produce these cars in model form." The way I read it, it makes reference to the Peter Campion & the Bowden Cars"

There is another interesting stumbling block in the mix. That is, the recent sale of "HDT" to Peter Campion & the rights to the intellectual property & who owns that?

Do HDT own the IP? If so, the Cars in question may be subject to litigation over the breach of IP.

Bev Brock recently said in the current Court proceeding regarding PB's will, "Paperwork was not his strong point" therefore it could be possible the IP may not belong to anyone ATM

[Leigh]

Certainly PC can stop the use of the HDT logos...

[james]

Sound's like he has.

[brchi17]

Certainly PC can stop the use of the HDT logos...

at this rate it's fast becoming a rather blank model.....:D lol

[james]

at this rate it's fast becoming a rather blank model.....:D lolLove it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[singer]

at this rate it's fast becoming a rather blank model.....:D lol

Well the Ciggie company (Phillip Morris, I think) are currently trying to stop anyone using the image surrounding Malboro brand:rolleyes:,

So try a blank Car:p

[the_goldie]

I dont see why it isnt good news. Classics produce great looking models, the downside is that it will be ashame not to have these cars as part of the "official" Biante Brock collection (but there are no more signatures from Brock anyway which set the collection apart), as long as one company makes them, does it really matter???

[carnut01]

at this rate it's fast becoming a rather blank model.....:D lol
Biante should start producing 'plain body" VC-VK commodores much like autoart do with some of the wrc cars:D

[Leigh]

I dont see why it isnt good news. Classics produce great looking models, the downside is that it will be ashame not to have these cars as part of the "official" Biante Brock collection (but there are no more signatures from Brock anyway which set the collection apart), as long as one company makes them, does it really matter???

I drive a VK everyday, and if that is a VK...looks more like an Opel that the VB-VK were designed from:(

Hopefully Biante does a better job, but I aint holding my breath...

[VXfan]

Well Biante should have no problem producing the 1980 VC seeing as Peter Champion's version is a replica only.
Cheers,
Tony.

[Buffalo]

http://www.kollectablekaos.com.au/images/CC-Letter-1.jpg (http://www.kollectablekaos.com.au/images/CC-Letter-1.jpg)

http://www.kollectablekaos.com.au/images/CC-Letter-2.jpg (http://www.kollectablekaos.com.au/images/CC-Letter-2.jpg)

[Monaro Maniac]

So if CC have the contract to reproduce these cars including the 84 VK does that mean that Biante have to stop the production of this car. It really sucks to see people trying to make big dollars off something that is so obviously against Brockies wishes. In doing this Champion and CC are taking money straight out of the Brock foundation's pocket (which gets a slice of every Brock Collection model) and lining their own with it. Peters death really seems to have brought out the wosrt in a lot of people.

[monarocveightz]

Buffalo I've seen those letters before, my retailer showed me them a little while ago.



I really hope Peter Champion isn't doing this for profit.

I have put my name down for the CC ones, but I prefer Biante to make them, due to being in the official Brock collection, and it's conection to Brock.

Some people may say that I'm stupid and should go for whoever makes the best, or whoever comes out first, but I prefer to collect Biante's versions.

In saying that, I will buy any Brock model regardless of Brand, but I will prioritise the Biante ones

[carnut01]

what will be interesting to see is if Classics have the rights to produce these in their "as raced" form (minus the Marlboro logos) or only in the cars current "restored" form as owned by Champion. I am hoping that this deal will work much like Classic's deal with Bowdens where Classics have exclusive rights to access / measure / study the vehicles as they currently sit, but allowing Biante to still reproduce the vehicle using original photos, film, documents, etc as they would for a car which no longer exists (moffat 65E, Johnson's 83 tree plough, etc)

[Footy]

I dont see why it isnt good news. Classics produce great looking models, the downside is that it will be ashame not to have these cars as part of the "official" Biante Brock collection (but there are no more signatures from Brock anyway which set the collection apart), as long as one company makes them, does it really matter???

So does that mean that the official Brock collection finishes when Biante ends their run on the Brock models and when ccs start is that a "re run" second release if you like,which in my books makes the official run more collectable.:)

[Chev_350]

and playing the devil's advocate, I'd ask what has he done to earn it...???

Peter Champion ownes HDT now doesn't he? If he just owned the cars I could see why people would be scratching their heads about how this can be done, but now (if he does) he ownes the identity in which the cars were raced under, it would allow him to licence the cars however he sees fit, no?

[wayno]

So does that mean that the official Brock collection finishes when Biante ends their run on the Brock models and when ccs start is that a "re run" second release if you like,which in my books makes the official run more collectable.:)

I would be sad to see the end of the official Brock Collection. All his cars made under this banner would have meant a lot more in my opinion.
Sounds like this Champion bloke is going to be another tosser like some other old race car owners I will not name. :rolleyes:

[Oh Five]

Champion stated he was a close friend of PB's, no doubt he was, but now watch him cash in on the great man:mad:

[Donny05]

Let's not speculate too much until we know the full story boys?
Peter Champion was a good mate of PB's and I'm sure he would be helping out the PB Foundation as well? He has recently bought HDT and is looking at doing good things for the HDT owners so I won't be critical until I know the full story. I hope I'm not dissapointed :(

[bostonwayne]

http://www.kollectablekaos.com.au/images/Biante-Email.jpg

[wayno]

http://www.kollectablekaos.com.au/images/Biante-Email.jpg

:) I like the sound of that. I really do not want to buy CC models of Brock cars, but would if I had to.
I just hope that by waiting and being loyal to the 'proper' Brock collection that I don't get burnt.

[brchi17]

http://www.kollectablekaos.com.au/images/Biante-Email.jpg

:) I like the sound of that. I really do not want to buy CC models of Brock cars, but would if I had to.
I just hope that by waiting and being loyal to the 'proper' Brock collection that I don't get burnt.

me too, you've got to support those whom support the sport, not just the ones that are truing to turn our sport into a money making exercise !!!

sounds like layers at 6 paces for an ole fashioned shoot out :D lol.....

[HDTHSVHRT]

:) I like the sound of that. I really do not want to buy CC models of Brock cars, but would if I had to.
I just hope that by waiting and being loyal to the 'proper' Brock collection that I don't get burnt.

Well said.

[Oh Five]

Yes after reading that , i will hold off, BUT like Wayno said, I hope we dont get burnt:(
It is very frustrating when 1 company states they have "exclusive rights and NO OTHER company can make them"
Then another comes out and states that they "will be made and with the backing of the PBF":deal::juggle2:

[fomoco04]

If Kollectable Kaos can have a statement like that would'nt it be prudent on Biante's behalf to have something on their website stating the same?

It would allay (is that how you spell it?) a lot of fears, remove the inuendo and set the record straight.

[wayno]

Seems the powers that be at Biante are paying bugger all attention to what goes on here lately. :rolleyes:
I can think of one recent thread at least that made the company look pretty silly and the silence from Biante itself was deafening.

[fomoco04]

Seems the powers that be at Biante are paying bugger all attention to what goes on here lately. :rolleyes:
I can think of one recent thread at least that made the company look pretty silly and the silence from Biante itself was deafening.

If they wan't to start loosing loyal customers and therefore their income then they are going the right way about it.

[Richard Poole]

Just because we haven't commented doesn't mean aren't paying attention. There are reasons why we can and can't make statements on the forum about certain matters. When we can comment, we will.

[wayno]

Not being pushy Richard, but I hope you can see it from our point of view. I am fiercely loyal to Biante as I do not like the way the other mob do business. I believe the Peter Brock collection should contain all his cars as that was the intention of the great man as I see it.
I want to put my $$$'s where I believe they should go as I can be pretty idealistic at times. At the same time, I would hate to have to fill holes with models from the other mob at an inflated price later on due to this.

[Richard Poole]

I do see it from your side but from our side there are a lot of other issues surrounding this and the Brock name than we are able to discuss on the public forum. When we can comment we will. For now, the letter on the Kaos website is all we can reveal.

[wayno]

Good enough for me. I will continue to wait for my Biante Brock cars then.

[HDTHSVHRT]

Then how come the recent CC newsletter sais: CC are proud to annouce that we are the sole holders of the licence for the make and sale of the 80, 82, 83, and 85 cars raced at Bathurst by Peter Brock???

[fomoco04]

I do see it from your side but from our side there are a lot of other issues surrounding this and the Brock name than we are able to discuss on the public forum. When we can comment we will. For now, the letter on the Kaos website is all we can reveal.

Thank you for your prompt response Richard. That makes me and im sure many others more secure so to speak.

[vr-x3500]

Not being pushy Richard, but I hope you can see it from our point of view. I am fiercely loyal to Biante as I do not like the way the other mob do business. I believe the Peter Brock collection should contain all his cars as that was the intention of the great man as I see it.
I want to put my $$$'s where I believe they should go as I can be pretty idealistic at times. At the same time, I would hate to have to fill holes with models from the other mob at an inflated price later on due to this.

Thats how I felt about the 65E Wayno, because I wasn't collecting when the Biante version was released, and I'm sure I wasn't the only one, there was no way I was going to pay for the ridiculously overpriced Biante version when the CC version was announced. It's interesting to read the comments now the shoe appears to be on the other foot.

[wayno]

I just want to know for sure that Biante will be allowed to do them. I started my Biante Brock Collection with the intention of finishing it with the same company as a full OFFICIAL Brock Collection would be special to me.
If CC come in at this late stage on the Brock cars and try and freeze Biante out of the market then it confirms the lack of moral fibre and shonky business practices many have suspected them of.
I spoke to Peter about models numerous times as I talked to him quite frequently through a common link (the Leukemia Foundation). I am 100% sure from these discussions that Peter wanted Biante to do all his cars under this banner.
If CC do the cars as well I could live with that, but if Biante are prevented from doing these cars then I would not be impressed.

[vr-x3500]

I hope for the sake of guys like yourself Wayno who have been collecting since day dot and the people who have spent big $$ on the PB collection that Biante do produce them, it would be an absolute shame if they didn't. But business is business if CC were in breach of some law previously I doubt they'd be operating now and if CC can get away with it I'm sure Biante can.

[rayman]

We need competition.Just remember that it is us,the buyer's,that benefit from it.

[wayno]

We need competition.Just remember that it is us,the buyer's,that benefit from it.

What? At the cost of using legal loopholes to create a monopoly from another source?
Get real. :rolleyes:

[rayman]

If one company can use a loophole,then so can another.

[Oh Five]

Good enough for me. I will continue to wait for my Biante Brock cars then.

Me too, but push it along will ya's??? One only has one life:mad:

[HDTHSVHRT]

Well you dont have long to wait the 71 Bathurst is due in 10 days! ;)

[f1webber]

Well you dont have long to wait the 71 Bathurst is due in 10 days! ;)

Not even that long !!!
We received our shipment today.
Will look good next to the other XU1's.
Those who are getting one will not be dissapointed.
No signature of the great man is another reminder he is not with us anymore :sad3:

[ferrari fan]

Yep I have got mine and it is the bizz, 7200 ex issued
tiss a car with vission into the future, Has got Commodore on all 4 corners of the car!!

[ferrari fan]

Instead of the personal signature there is a Peter Brock 05 foundation registered trade mark emblem wich features Peter's signature!
as close as you can get.

[monarocveightz]

some detailed pics please guys:D

The one on ebay looks good

[biante2959]

I just picked mine up from my dealer.
Not happy, the brochure is missing.
The model looks fantastic though ,well done Biante another fine model. 10/10

[Garry]

.I just picked mine up from my dealer.
Not happy, the brochure is missing.


Where an item has a signature on it, COA or brochure, the Biante staff physically open up every carton and insert a yellow A5 evelope containing the COA's or brochures prior to leaving the warehouse. It is up to the retailer to ensure that each customer receives their COA or brochure with the model.
May I suggest that you return to your retailer and insist on getting your brochure as it has been personally signed by Harry Firth.

[Road Runner 72]

some detailed pics please guys:D

The one on ebay looks good

Here are some quick pics of mine!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/road_runnne r_72/Peter%20Brock/Diecast/71brock-005.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/road_runnne r_72/Peter%20Brock/Diecast/71brock-003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/road_runnne r_72/Peter%20Brock/Diecast/71brock-004.jpg

[Road Runner 72]

Some more.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/road_runnne r_72/Peter%20Brock/Diecast/71brock-001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/road_runnne r_72/Peter%20Brock/Diecast/71brock-008.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/road_runnne r_72/Peter%20Brock/Diecast/71brock-016.jpg

Cheers

Mike

[Gottaluvbrocky]

How many have been produced???

[f1webber]

How many have been produced???

7200 were made mate.
I think the next few Brock cars will be released in quite high numbers to see what the demand will be in the future.
We have a lot of people who believe it or not are not that interested in the cars now that the COA has not been signed.
I think a few have decided to "cap" there Brock collection as a "signed" set.

[Donny05]

7200 were made mate.
I think the next few Brock cars will be released in quite high numbers to see what the demand will be in the future.
We have a lot of people who believe it or not are not that interested in the cars now that the COA has not been signed.
I think a few have decided to "cap" there Brock collection as a "signed" set.


Then they were never fans in the first place :mad: The best cars are still to come!

[Road Runner 72]

Then they were never fans in the first place :mad: The best cars are still to come!

Yes the 80's, can't wait!!!!

[ferrari fan]

Went and had a look, as a matter of fact, lined all the Brock models up on the big table, and.............. what a sight.
Looking forward to the next HDT machine!
Yer gotta be a mug to deny yourself such a pleasure!
Bye the way; Great pictures ,as always, Road runner!

[monarocveightz]

Then they were never fans in the first place :mad: The best cars are still to come!

Exactly........

Anyways, thanks for the pics Mike.......they look great, can't wait to get mine.........will be my first Brock XU-1.........Oh how I want the 1972 & 1973 cars badly..........oh well good things come to those who wait:)

[ferrari fan]

2 on ebay, with VERY low numbers, 10 and 33, I think and in NEW condition!
BUT, one needs a bitta cash for these!

[Road Runner 72]

Exactly........

Anyways, thanks for the pics Mike.......they look great, can't wait to get mine.........will be my first Brock XU-1.........Oh how I want the 1972 & 1973 cars badly..........oh well good things come to those who wait:)

Yeah all you can do is wait, just when you get the 71 torrie it will make you want the 72 & 73 car even more tho!!

[minh427]

just wondering why the 78 brock torana is more expensive than the 79 torana, when the 79 won by six laps

[Oh Five]

My guess is because there are less.

[troym]

just looked at the brock collection & it now lists 1994 bathurst VP commodore, looks like the start of the VP series

[MarkHM]

I have 2 words..woooooo and hoooooo

[monarocveightz]

Yeah all you can do is wait, just when you get the 71 torrie it will make you want the 72 & 73 car even more tho!!

It probably will:( oh well.........I'm glad i've got a collection of Brock cars to start with:)


just looked at the brock collection & it now lists 1994 bathurst VP commodore, looks like the start of the VP series

Cool............but i'd expect it will be a while before anything further about it will be announced........As i'm sure Biante will be focussing on the 80's C'dores

[commanderwhite]

Where is the VP Brock Commodore you are talking about on here - I can't find it - please HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[monarocveightz]

Where is the VP Brock Commodore you are talking about on here - I can't find it - please HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

It's listed here

http://www.biante.com.au/faq_9.htm

under the PB Faq's


there is no other info yet

[fomoco04]

Where is the VP Brock Commodore you are talking about on here - I can't find it - please HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

In the FAQ's section under Brock Collection

[commanderwhite]

Thanks everyone - I panicked I thought I missed one.

[minh427]

anyone have a rear shot of Peter Brock's 97 commodore? need it to complete a model

[215i]

The 70 LC and 94 VP have been put onto the site but no word of the VB-VK's from the early 80's yet. Even reference to them in the FAQ's section is gone... Im getting a little worried now.

[Dingo]

The 70 LC and 94 VP have been put onto the site but no word of the VB-VK's from the early 80's yet. Even reference to them in the FAQ's section is gone... Im getting a little worried now.
What are the LC (http://www.biante.com.au/product_19795.htm) and VP (http://www.biante.com.au/product_19804.htm) made from, unobtainium? Why the price hike to over $200???

[Leigh]

World metal prices have doubled in the last few years...I have been surprised that it has taken this long for it to filter down...

[brchi17]

World metal prices have doubled in the last few years...I have been surprised that it has taken this long for it to filter down...

So what about the very strong Oz dollar, wouldn't that compensate for this then :confused:

[Garry]

What are the LC (http://www.biante.com.au/product_19795.htm) and VP (http://www.biante.com.au/product_19804.htm) made from, unobtainium? Why the price hike to over $200???

If the "Approximate Availability" dates on these models are to go by;

VL ~ July 08
VP ~ Feb 09

It can be assumed that the prices are not yet set in concrete and will not doubt be finalised at the time of release.

Garry

[Dingo]

If the "Approximate Availability" dates on these models are to go by;

VL ~ July 08
VP ~ Feb 09

It can be assumed that the prices are not yet set in concrete and will not doubt be finalised at the time of release.

Garry
Garry, those prices are Brock VK territory, and you get a helmet with the dayglo beast. And you're probably looking at a similar timeframe for that too.

Unless Biante are going to the next level with detail, I don't see the justification right now...

[HDTHSVHRT]

Its great there are more Brock models onsite, in all scales!!! ;) I cant wait for all of them, but...

I agree with Dingo, why are these 213 dollars while the 1987 Bathurst cars are still 177? :confused:

[rayman]

Zinc is at a 20 month low ATM

[Garry]

Garry, those prices are Brock VK territory, and you get a helmet with the dayglo beast. And you're probably looking at a similar timeframe for that too.

Unless Biante are going to the next level with detail, I don't see the justification right now...

It's unfortunate that Biante have guestimated the retail price of these models.

With regard to the "Dayglo Beast", I personally envisage a price increase above it's current antisipated release price (as listed).

It would be almost impossible to get a retailer to commit to the current antisipated price, on a model that is not going to be released until Sept '08. Unless of coarse,they like to play the odds?

[HDTHSVHRT]

I wouldnt think so its high enough as it is.

[Oh Five]

If they are going to start charging such prices, then the quality must be 100%

[jpitharas]

fully agree

[Oh Five]

I f ya gunna advertise your site, then put some decent models on there:mad:

[TAG05]

The 70 LC and 94 VP have been put onto the site but no word of the VB-VK's from the early 80's yet. Even reference to them in the FAQ's section is gone... Im getting a little worried now.


Apologies if this has been answered already, but I am under the opinion that CC have exclusive rights to manufacture the early 80's Brock cars!

Anyone able to elaborate?

Cheers, Andrew

[Skaife fan]

Apologies if this has been answered already, but I am under the opinion that CC have exclusive rights to manufacture the early 80's Brock cars!

Anyone able to elaborate?

Cheers, Andrew
That's what CC's want you to believe, but i don't. ;)

[Richard Poole]

Our schedule is set for the next few years as shown with the newly announced models. Other than the 1984 and 1987 Commodore's, there will be no other 80's Commodores produced within the next two years. Outside of this period the Brock collection will continue and will eventually contain ALL of Peter's significant cars throughout his career from Bathurst, ATCC, and other categories Peter has driven in.

[Footy]

Our schedule is set for the next few years as shown with the newly announced models. Outside of this period the Brock collection will continue and will contain ALL of Peter's significant cars throughout his career from Bathurst, ATCC, and other categories Peter has driven in.

Great to hear it straight from the horses mouth.So to speak Thanks Richard.:D

[Dingo]

It's unfortunate that Biante have guestimated the retail price of these models.

With regard to the "Dayglo Beast", I personally envisage a price increase above it's current antisipated release price (as listed).

It would be almost impossible to get a retailer to commit to the current antisipated price, on a model that is not going to be released until Sept '08. Unless of coarse,they like to play the odds?
When they've already got the mould for a model, and used it quite a few times, I hardly expect to be slugged nearly $50 more in RRP (http://www.biante.com.au/product_13915.htm) than the most recent release of said mould... :mad:

[Richard Poole]

We have been fighting off increasing the RRP for our models for some time but unfortunately we have had to adjust the pricing for our 1:18 race cars as we can no longer absorb the rising raw material/production/shipping/licensing costs associated with producing these models. Yes, the high aussie dollar has helped but with the production costs rising disproportionately coupled with increased licensing payments the only solution was to pass the increase on.

We have also begun a process of updating all of our existing and current tooling to current specs and correcting some tooling related inaccuracies which have so far been unaltered. This is the first serious update to any existing tooling for some time. We have a large amount of tooling which has been produced for us and it will take some time to complete but once complete I'm sure everyone will be happy with the results. Don't expect to see updates on every model right away as there's a lot to be done but the first results from the update process will be seen early next year. Sorry, can't release any more details at this stage.

We are sorry for the price rise but to go along with that we will ensure we have an increase in quality, detail, and presentation.

[HDTHSVHRT]

If you look at it its still a pretty substantial hike though, anyway it wont affect me too much because I dont buy many 1:18s.

[Oh Five]

I do!

[wayno]

So do I. Look forward to seeing the improvement in quality to go with the increased price.

[monarocveightz]

So do I. Look forward to seeing the improvement in quality to go with the increased price.

I agree with you also.

The LC Torana mould wasn't exactly the highest quality one, and now it's going to cost $213.50 for a Brock '70 LC.

I personally don't think it's worth that much, unless it does get an update.

But since I'm a Brock collector, I'll most likely get one anyways........

[HDTHSVHRT]

personally the Brock LC 1970 looks crap with that paint scheme but Ill be getting to too.

[ferrari fan]

If you have all the brock cars and the Bathurst winners plus the Harvey and Bond Skelton Torries, then one can display a wonderfull timeline of HDT/HRT liveries.
and also see that the lion/helmet head design has been on the cars for a very long time.
The VL winner has it!

[vikings100]

I agree with you also.

The LC Torana mould wasn't exactly the highest quality one, and now it's going to cost $213.50 for a Brock '70 LC.

I personally don't think it's worth that much, unless it does get an update.

But since I'm a Brock collector, I'll most likely get one anyways........

I would rather pay $213.50 at time of release, cause a week later, they'll be pushing $250 on ebay.

Cheers Greg:)

[HDTHSVHRT]

It would be great to have all the HDT/HRT cars but affordablility and storage are a problem ATM. Ive got all Brocks old tourers but not the HRT ones.

[monarocveightz]

I would rather pay $213.50 at time of release, cause a week later, they'll be pushing $250 on ebay.

Cheers Greg:)


Even so I still don't think it's worth $213.50.

If the price had risen to say $180-90 I'd be fine with that, but $213 for an LC model, I'd expect the quality to rise a fair bit for that price, thats around a $45 price rise over the LC that just came out.

Afterall the "competition's" models are at $195,and are generally a higher quality. And i'm sure they will to the LC/J Torana's eventually.

As i said, I'll still get one, but I'm not to pleased with paying that sort of price for a LC model, For the VK, VL, VP yeah I don't mind but as I said, the LC wasn't the nicest mould.

Sorry If I appear to be Biante bashing, but these are my thoughts.

I generally buy Biante models, so you can't say I'm biased towards CC

[HDTHSVHRT]

good post CV8.

[Oh Five]

No CV8 i dont think its "bashing" at all. You are only saying what alot of us are thinking and saying.
The way i see things, if you pay more, then you should be getting more quality. Quite simple i reckon.

[brchi17]

No CV8 i dont think its "bashing" at all. You are only saying what alot of us are thinking and saying.
The way i see things, if you pay more, then you should be getting more quality. Quite simple i reckon.

agreed, if the price is continually going up then I'd like to see something to justify it in terms of what I receive (not simply passing on the costs of producing them), I think they call it value for money...

[lachlan]

Now you know how I feel collecting IXO rally models, gone upto $62.50 here and there still $28 in the the US, I still don't know why??? It will get to a point where people will give up collecting due to the cost....

[brchi17]

Now you know how I feel collecting IXO rally models, gone upto $62.50 here and there still $28 in the the US, I still don't know why??? It will get to a point where people will give up collecting due to the cost....

Lachlan, I would be self importing them then if that was the case, which is actually what I do with an awful of my F1 cars simply because it's sooooooo much cheaper including the postage to Oz ;)

[lachlan]

I do Mate ;)

[Footy]

Wonder how the figure came as $213.50 not 214 or 210 I mean was someone actually thinking that... hey what a cool number..:cool:

[Leigh]

Worse than that Footy...It's 194.09 + GST

[ferrari fan]

Lets look at the wages and the increase of them.
Does "the boss" get MORE from his workers as the rate increases or is it linked with the good old "inflation" = money getting "cheaper" so one needs more and more of it to stay afloat?

[inter]

so what is happening between the biante/cc saga, who has the rights to brock models ( and also moffat model)

I am not to fussed were i buy them from, but i started with biante a long time ago and have spent over $30,000 buying their models so i would like to continue.
I do keep stat on car values but i dont collect to make a profit, But i do not like ( for example) spending $800 ( and i did not, but some did) on a moffat 65e and then a year later we can buy that model from cc for $165????
If collectors know what that cc model would do to the biante model value then i would of waited 12 to 18 month and bought one with cash spare to buy 3 other biante cars?????

What will it do to the 73 bathurst winner ( the same i suppose)
what this creates is competition yes (great) but it also creates two other things , oversupply to an already small market and collectors with little cash flow waiting to hopefully buy a reduced model possibly never buying one at all and spending their hard earned cash on something else ( possibly destroying the future demand)
And this arguments works both way for Cc collectors

just for your info the last 5 sales of a biante 65e moffat car are;
$345
$280
$420
$250
$250

more that 10 people have spent more that $900 two years ago just chasing their dream??????????

[ferrari fan]

Did see an " Announcement poster" with a picture of the "actual model on it.
Have a look if and when you see one and have a look at the front of the model.
It is very interesting
Looks like the Volkswagen design has a follow up.
Looks none to good on the foto, but it can just be a badly distorted image

[Footy]

Is Biante ever going to make PBs LC Torana Rallycross"The Beast"? I only know of one manufacturer that has made one.

[Hey Charger]

so what is happening between the biante/cc saga, who has the rights to brock models ( and also moffat model)

I am not to fussed were i buy them from, but i started with biante a long time ago and have spent over $30,000 buying their models so i would like to continue.
I do keep stat on car values but i dont collect to make a profit, But i do not like ( for example) spending $800 ( and i did not, but some did) on a moffat 65e and then a year later we can buy that model from cc for $165????
If collectors know what that cc model would do to the biante model value then i would of waited 12 to 18 month and bought one with cash spare to buy 3 other biante cars?????

What will it do to the 73 bathurst winner ( the same i suppose)
what this creates is competition yes (great) but it also creates two other things , oversupply to an already small market and collectors with little cash flow waiting to hopefully buy a reduced model possibly never buying one at all and spending their hard earned cash on something else ( possibly destroying the future demand)
And this arguments works both way for Cc collectors

just for your info the last 5 sales of a biante 65e moffat car are;
$345
$280
$420
$250
$250

more that 10 people have spent more that $900 two years ago just chasing their dream??????????

Hi Inter,

Are you sure these sales quotes are for the 65e & not the 64e? I would expect the 64e to have dropped to those levels quoted

26 Nov (recent) $615
19 Nov $465

Yes agree drop in prices but on avg its the $500 mark for the 65e

Cheers

[Footy]

Hi Inter,

Are you sure these sales quotes are for the 65e & not the 64e? I would expect the 64e to have dropped to those levels quoted

26 Nov (recent) $615
19 Nov $465

Yes agree drop in prices but on avg its the $500 mark for the 65e

Cheers
Brock cars ???????????

[HDTHSVHRT]

Ditto whats that doing in this thread???

[Hey Charger]

Boys, inter used the Moffat cars as an example for the discussion which is info I’m querying. Couldn't exactly start a new thread on it and I think we should have some leniency for some off track moments in our discussions

Cheers

[inter]

Hi Inter,

Are you sure these sales quotes are for the 65e & not the 64e? I would expect the 64e to have dropped to those levels quoted

26 Nov (recent) $615
19 Nov $465

Yes agree drop in prices but on avg its the $500 mark for the 65e

Cheers

with out spending too much time on this tread on moffat,
yes these were 65e sales

[inter]

but going back on topic who has the right on manufaturing Brock cars in the future? Biante or CC or both?

[david5]

but going back on topic who has the right on manufaturing Brock cars in the future? Biante or CC or both?

I think this subject is the reason that the current cars (VL,VK) are delayed. Are there legal proceedings between the two companies with Champion/HDT thrown in that we are not aware of?
My local retailer tells me they were told the VLs had arrived but were sent back becaues of poor quality. I spoke to another retailer & he had heard nothing,so what is the go?

Cheers David

[Footy]

Is Biante ever going to make PBs LC Torana Rallycross"The Beast"? I only know of one manufacturer that has made one.

Anyone?