Moffatt Mustang......again

[LJ202]

Having read all the previous forum traffic on the controversial US release of the Moffatt Mustang, I was quite surprised to find something new. It seems there are three versions at least being offered in the US. There seems to be a #1 car and a #9 car, both with no mention of Moffatt. These particular cars are listed on the website www.sportcraftcars.com There is also another version offered by www.exoticar.com , which seems to be a #9 car with the "Allan Moffatt Racing" graphics, but no "Coke" sponsorship. The only one I have seen in the flesh is the #1 car, so I can't confirm the existance of the others, but as I understood it, this was the only authorised version. Anyone have any news?

[brchi17]

I've found the #9 car, but how on earth did you find the #1 car on that website. I've been searching for well over 30 minutes & i still can't find it. Could you please post a direct link to it or please tell me what it is located under so that I can think about ordering it.
cheers.

[BATHURSTFAN]

http://www.sportcraftcars.com/welly.htm both No 1 & No 9

[BATHURSTFAN]

If you look closely there are three variations and prices:-

1)Exoticar has No 9 with "Allan Moffat" @ $45.00 - No Coke decals

2) Sportscraft has No 9 WITHOUT the "Allan Moffat" & Coke decals at $60.00

3) Sprtscraft also have the No 1 car @ $50.00

[SammyHagar]

Hi,
is the only difference between the moffat mustang at exoticar and the one available out here, the missing Coke signage? or is there more differences?
Thanks:cool:

[terrine]

thanks bathurstfan

http://www.exoticar.com/pages/search_products_2.cf m

understandably alan moffat will be less popular stateside than here and there may be a decal or 2 missing but that is some price difference. the ad makes reference to its LE (500 pieces) so you would imagine it comes with signed COA.....US$44.95

at the current exchange rate...56.06
that equates to $80.18 australian versus $299 at hot memorabilia

another thing, hot memorabilia advertised in the press the release of the brut 33 mustang for october and are taking preorder payments
todate i havent seen this model....anyone got any indicative news on that one.

the company concerned and mr moffat will upset more than a few fans if this is the way business is conducted.

r/peter

[Donny05]

Does anyone have the Website address for Hot Memorabilia so we can see if the "new" Brut 33 car is on there?

Cheers, Jason

[the_goldie]

http://www.hotmemorabilia.com.au

and no the brut 33 is not on there.

Does anyone have the US version, because for $100 or so it surely is worth getting instead of paying $300 for the Australian release. They look indentical except for the coke decals which can easily be applied (like winfield, camel filters, marlboro)...

[frosty]

Jason,

Try this website http://www.hotmemorabilia.com.au/


PS: I am doing the Great Vic Bike Ride next week, I will post you the XW brochure in 2 weeks time.

[oldxr]

Pictures of the Brut 33 Mustang can be found in this weeks Auto Action, I would probably buy it for $80 bucks but they can keep it for the $299 their asking even though i have the first one.

[brchi17]

I'm with you oldxr, as I too bought the first one, but as for any more, I simple can't justify such a high price for a model which is far from worth the money.
Now it was priced more near the price of a Biante 1:18, then I wouldn't think twice & I'd buy it, but $299 + p&h ?
Who are they trying to kid ?
cheers.

[stonee]

I think they released the best one first, I am happy with the first one but do not think I will be buying the other two.:p

[terrine]

ok i have ordered one of those hamerican moffats
stay tuned

r/peter

[biante3413]

I've got the Allan Moffat version and two of the #1 North American version. I'm using the second as a parts car for a Chaparral Camaro 1970 Trans Am racer. Here's a link for comparison shots of the two versions.http://community.webshots.com/user/bv343
It's in the Welly Mustang album.
Regards,
Ben

[terrine]

thanks ben
nice albums
they're definately cousins..but which came first
the egg or the chicken

r/peter

[SmartyMarty]

Look at picture 11\11....Its exactly the same car on the box...all the spectators are the same...which means one is simply a fake...what a suck..those Welly losers use photoshop for their boxes!!!! When and where was #1 driving...?????It s obviously the Moffat car...no more $$ to hot memorabilia from my side!

[ZORAK]

What about this guy (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1922450056) making hay while the sun shines! Almost as bad as traffictoys selling the 77 twin sets already!

Z!:mad:

[biante3413]

This will be a repaint of the red car. No pictures. Here's the link http://www.diecastmuscle.com/portal/store/W1969BL
The next one is a street version.
http://www.diecastmuscle.com/portal/store/Makes/Fo rd/Mustang/W2516YE

[berkut76]

I've received this e-mail from diecastmuscle today:
"Welly has just announced #W1969BL 1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Trans Am Racer. It is blue with race number #29. It will also have some other miscellaneous small race sponsor markings.
This is the follow up release to the highly sought after red #1 car. That car was a near instant sell out.
There will be 1800 of the Blue #29 cars produced with release slated for mid to late January. Sorry no picture yet."

No comments.

Regards,
Sergey

[brchi17]

berkut76,
do you know if there will be a green & silver Brutt 33 version comming ?
Perhaps it will just be a #33 car without the Brutt & 1/3 of the price!!!!

[berkut76]

brchi17,
I'll post something if I get an e-mail update from one of the US vendors. Truth be told, even at $45US suggested price, Welly's Trans AM is not a particularly enticing model. It's nowhere near similarly priced offerings from AutoArt or even $20US Maisto's 1965 Corvette.

Regards,
Sergey

[brchi17]

I saw a prototype of the Brutt 33 Mustang today at Games World.
To be honest, apart from the paint (& slightly flaired guards) there is very little changes between that & the Coke version (I know there the same car).
It looks like they are really cashing in on this one, as the boot lid still doesn't open & the engine bay appears to remain unchanged from the 1st verions.
Not getting burnt by this one !!!!
cheers.

[terrine]

i have been waiting for this one....
brchi 17...what exactly do you want to put in the boot?
it may be unfortunate that the boot does not open but i compare more than favourably the presentation of the #9 model with the autoart mustang and i have preordered mine.
besides...broke a few hearts with that brut 33 splash on

r/peter

[brchi17]

terrine,
We all have our favorite models & this is obviously one of yours.

Please don't take my comments personally (as I'm sure you haven't), my beef is with the people who make this model & ask an abserd price for it. I mean, compared to a Biante model (spoken about this at length on other posts), for the money I would expect everything to open including the boot.

As I was not old enought to remember this model (born in 1976), it doesn't mean very much to me which is why I don't really appreciate it.

Now if they released a Dick Johnson EBII or similuar in the way in which the Moffat Mustangs have been released, then I would feel the same way you do about the Brutt 33 Mustang.

Each to their own I suppose.
cheers.

[terrine]

thanks for your reply
i am happy to announce that i have been advised mine is in the mail today.......will let you know what i think later in the week.
i will even check the boot for you

r/peter

[ZORAK]

Hey guys don't order the Exoticar.com one if you expect to get something that is the same as in the image on their site (like I did)!

The car arrived today with no "Moffat Racing, BP, Goodyear or Ford logo on it. I was spewing so I called them and it went like this:

Him: "Oh the sponsors pulled out at the last minute.... so we couldn't put the sponsorship on them"

Me: "Well that is the model I ordered, the one in the picture that does not say "NO SPONSORSHIP STICKERS", not the one I got."

Him: "You can send it back"

Me: "You pay shipping?"

Him: "No that is not covered"

Me: "It is if I reject it with my Credit Card"

Him: "Very well if you have to"

Me: "Well I didn't get what I ordered"

Him: "Then send it back"

Me: "But I am out the shipping for something that is no fault of my own"

Him: "write that on it and we will cover the shipping then"


So there you have it. Photos at 11. Or later.

Z! :confused:

[brchi17]

zorak,
so that mean that you got just a plain red Mustang ?
I though it might have been too good to be true.
cheers.

[berkut76]

ZORAK,
So, I see EXOTICAR didn't change its ways despite its PR campaign on some boards. Actually, you got lucky in a sense that you got the "somewhat correct" model. On more than a few occasions EXOTICAR substituted the item one ordered with BBurago. Other times, the advertised items never seem to be in stock. In sum, don't order anything from EXOTICAR, especially if the international shipping is involved. ZORAK, also please get your Credit Card company involved as soon as possible because there is a "time limit" (usually 60 days from the date of purchase) on filing a complaint.

Best regards,
Sergey

P.S. One needs a decal sheet with proper logos to "correct" model anyway. Personally, I think that it doesn't matter what decals are already present. As a matter of fact, a plain red Mustang would make a better starting point.

[a9x]

just looking at shire models and found this http://www.shiremodels.com.au/cache/item-1373public.html?cache=no (www.shiremodels.com.au/cache/item-1373public.html?cache=no)
_

[terrine]

the brut arrived today and it is one horn car.
i was very happy with the original hot mem mustang and this compliments it perfectly...even gave it a COA with a number this time. the boot still doesnt open but there have been plenty of modifications....livery, rims, wheel arch flares, grill and spoilers at a glance....no problems there in my opinion

still waiting for my septic tank moffat....
r/peter

[ZORAK]

Okay I must have the plot a bit. I was seeing only red when the EXOTICAR arrived as it was not the same thing as I had ordered.

It came in a plain white box. Nothing at all on the outside.

The car does have the BP and Ford logo and the #9 but nothing related to Moffat.

Then again it was U$45 so I guess I will keep it, it looks good in the cabinet.

Here are some pics:

1 (http://www.yourmail.org/moffat/1.jpg), 2 (http://www.yourmail.org/moffat/2.jpg), 3 (http://www.yourmail.org/moffat/3.jpg), 4 (http://www.yourmail.org/moffat/4.jpg), 5 (http://www.yourmail.org/moffat/5.jpg), 6 (http://www.yourmail.org/moffat/6.jpg), 7 (http://www.yourmail.org/moffat/7.jpg), 8 (http://www.yourmail.org/moffat/8.jpg), 9 (http://www.yourmail.org/moffat/9.jpg), 10 (http://www.yourmail.org/moffat/10.jpg) and 11 (http://www.yourmail.org/moffat/11.jpg)

Z!

[terrine]

Limited to 500 pieces

Item Number: 2516
Manufacturer:
Scale: 1/18
Color: #9 Allan Moffett

Price: $44.95
......from the exoticar website complete with graphic

still waiting for mine and thanks for the piccies...even though they are very disappointing. we all get very upset with shonky vendors and misleading discriptions/advertising.
it would appear that EXOTICAR is to be put on that list.

r/peter

on the other hand it puts meaning back into the words limited edition...(which some collectors still dont understand)

[brchi17]

Originally posted by terrine
[B]Limited to 500 pieces

Item Number: 2516
Manufacturer:
Scale: 1/18
Color: #9 Allan Moffett


Do I read this correctly ???
Limited to 500 pieces but you've got number 2516 ???

The model looks great to the point where I wished I hadn't have bought the origional $300- version. I'm sure you'd be able to find/make a set of Coke/Moffat decals for less.
cheers.

[BATHURSTFAN]

I would say Item Number would relate to product number not certificate or build number.

Limited means RESTRICTED
Edition means ONE OF A NUMBER OF PRESSINGS OF THE SAME or
ANY SIMILIAR FORM OR VERSION.(Macquarie Dictionary)

happy Terrine.

I still stand by what I asked. If a car is released with minor changes/improvements then why should it be restricted to one run and not released again.

It's acceptable to release for example a Bathurst release and a ATTCC release of the same car with only minor decal changes such as the addition of the 2nd drivers name.(Its still a similiar form or version)

Then why can't for example a car such as the Moffat 65e be re-released if improvements can be made (weren't some of the early releases missing some engine detail?).

Glenn

[Three_o_seven]

In that case if you have 64e that must be close enough to 65e.:D

[BATHURSTFAN]

BTW what was postage from the USA for the Mustang?

I have the 64e :D but not the 65e:mad:

[Ford Boy]

ok, i gotta admit, im lost here....... i have the #9 moffat coke stang, and i think its a pretty good model... but thats just me... im gonna get all 3 or 4 of the moffat mustangs as they come out, and put them in a seperate 4 car case.... so yeah, im not saying its the be all end all, but i think theyre pretty good models.... just my opinion.... ive seen a photo of the brut 33 mustang and its looks cool. a bit weird but cool. so yeah! anyways, thats just me.... im guessing most other people seem to think they are rip offs?

[SmartyMarty]

..yep:)

[Moffat Fan]

I just received the latest red “Moffat Trans-am� from the States (the red 9 ) from Exoticar. Landed cost in Australia was $85.12 AUD.

I now have all four so far. The “official car�, the red “1�, the red “9� and the new “Brut 33� and they look great together. The 1 & 9 car will undergo some extra work with signage and headlight and bonnet mods to make them more like the many photos of the different versions.

I am interested to see if the Brut 33 car comes out in the states later on, as a modified repainted version of this car will make a great Jim Ricards “Sidchrome Mustang�

[BATHURSTFAN]

Thats the model price, what was the postage?

[Moffat Fan]

That was it including postage. They took some off ( 10% tax) for export and added the postage. The figure I gave you is the AUD. on the Visa Statment.

[BATHURSTFAN]

Well you did alright then, postage must have been cheap,
$85 AUS = $48.00 US

That makes it $7.50 US for postage / $13.30 AUS

Car $45 US less 10% = $40.50 US / $72.00 AUS


MUCH BETTER THAN $300

I was just curious on postage because a mate & i got two 1/18 Revell Rusty Wallace Ford Taurus' NASCARS last year and it cost $40.00 AUS for postage for the two cars. They were heavy though, on a base etc.

I got them from Prostar2Collectables, my mate has gone back since a few times, he loves those NASCARS.

I don't recall a tax exemption either.

[BATHURSTFAN]

Welly Mustang history so far:

1) No 9. Official Release $300 AUD / $170 US
2) N0 1. (no Moffat or Coke decals) $88 / $50
3) No 9. (no Moffat or Coke decals) $80 / $45
4) No 29. Blue $80 / $45
5) Yellow Street Car $40 / $22.50
6) Official Brut 33 $300 / $170 US

[bernoo]

Have you seen the latest Moff mustang. YUK it is ugly,ugly,ugly

[Ford Boy]

last night i was going through the bathroom cupboards looking for something, cant remember what now, and i found three 15ml bottles of brut 33 after shave. now my thought is as im planning on getting the brut 33 mustang, put these all togther in a display case, it could look very nice! not sure what the point of all this was, but i just thought id tell someone!!!

[wesley charles]

Picked UP the BRUTT 33 at lunch time today, looks good but I'm dissapointed that the wheels are only painted in silver frost instead of chrome spray,
I agree with you lot that it isn't worth the $314 you have to pay for it but then again I did pay $550 for Moffat's 65 E and what is a Moffat Ford collection with out it.
I've got every other Ford he raced so far, 3 of some of them, and to not have the Brutt 33 is to not have a complete set in the future maybe !.I won't be buying the under coat grey version because it has no significent value to me or for that matter anyone else I believe, HOT MEMOROBILIA should do themselves a favour and cancel any ideas of producing this model in Australia.
I don't know what arrangements Moffat has with them but it must of cost them a packet or two to get producing rights for these models when others can get the same cars (void a few decals) in America for a third of the price .
Unfortunately for me, I'm not certain that any one else will be producing these cars in the near future at a cheeper price, although many trax models of Moffat and other great racing drivers cars have been produced by other suppliers such as Biante and I might add superior in quality too which has brought down the price and demand of trax models I just hope that the price I have had to pay for a slice of Australian Motor Racing History doesn't depreciate beyond the purchase price.
So in that sence it may or may not be worth the $314 , there would of been a fair few wingers who thought a white twin mirrored xy was to dear too at around $165 .

[terrine]

shipping charges..EXOTICAR....
i still havent recieved my overseas welly so i dont have full details of the transaction....from my creditcard statement it would appear i have recieved no discount for tax and paid plenty for the freight...AU$40?.....

in reference to the boot that doesnt open i have just found out why this would be a concern to any model collector in future
from the specs for the upcoming CC charger not only can you remove the spare from the boot it comes with a ratchet jack.

maybe it will arrive this week? i'll let you know my thoughts

r/peter

[berkut76]

Peter,
In the US, there are no universal GST like in Australia. The prices listed from any US vendor are pre-tax ones. Each individual state has its own sales tax. So far, on internet purchases no tax is being levied for out of state or export orders. One just pays the item's price plus shipping. As for shpping charge to Australia, it seems in line with UPS, USPS or FedEx shipping rates which are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than those of Australia Post.
As for dealing with EXOTICAR, if you get the item that you've ordered AND undamaged consider yourself lucky.

Regards,
Sergey

[BATHURSTFAN]

You would think that it would be the same as MOFFATFAN, but then again what Berkut is saying anything is possible with EXOTICAR.

[terrine]

hello sergey and BF

my response was in regards to moffat fan stating he got a 10% discount for tax and paid relatively nothing for shipping

r/peter
i should be so lucky

[BATHURSTFAN]

Sorry I did mean Moffatfan

[Moffat Fan]

Hey Guys

I took a punt that the 10% discount they gave me must have been for tax ( I got some gear from the UK recently and they deducted the Tax)

Maybe they gave me a discount because they were in a good mood? But the invoice reads.
2516 1\18 Mustang Trans AM Race $44.95
Less 10% -$4.49
Shipping $6.95
Total $47.41 US

Which was $85.12 Aud

Ive just ordered the Moffat BMW from there (yes they have stock)
Wonder if i'll get discount again!:p

[berkut76]

Moffat Fan,
You got tremendously lucky because for some reason EXOTICAR billing system didn't recognize your order as an "overseas" one. The quoted shipping rate is for the standard UPS ground shipping method within the continental USA. How did you get a discount is beyond me. Care to explain?

Regards,
Sergey

[Moffat Fan]

No idea! I just ordered it and said I was in no hurry "so post it the cheapest way".

The discount was just on the invoice! As I said, I assumed it was for tax. :confused:

[terrine]

i recieved my allan moffett #9 mustang from exoticar USA today

this is what i ordered on 2/12/02

Limited to 500 pieces
Item Number: 2516
Manufacturer:
Scale: 1/18
Color: #9 Allan Moffett
Price: $44.95

i now have the model and shipping invoice at hand.
SHIPPING
the model was dispatched same day 2/12/02...good
i did recieve a 10% credit on the sale price to US$40.46
this equated to $74.15 australian....thats fair
the shipping charge was US$30.......
thats $55 australian (insert expletive here)
those figures are based on my credit card charges.
#9
as ZORAK did, i recieved the plain white box with no COA and the missing decals on the welly model, all as per his photos prior on this thread...very dissapointing....... blatant misrepresentation

on the other hand for those of you that like to take a gamble and want a very nice model of a very nice motorcar it still represents better value than similar priced items available here in OZ....

r/peter

[BATHURSTFAN]

maybe they were making up for the cheap postal charge for Moffat Fan - only kidding!. They must have charged for the top air freight service.

go to www.usps.com and check the rates there.

Berkut, what are you charged from here to the US for a 1:18 ?

I got two 1:18 Nascars from the US and it cost just over $40 AUS for both packaged together last year.

[terrine]

just a quick addendum to my lost post

with my purchase they supplied the last 2 exoticar catalogues
the fall edition showed the moffat car as displayed on site and as we expected..
the holiday edition ...current....shows the model as supplied but still describe it as limited edition alan moffat....

r/peter

[berkut76]

Hello guys,
The cheapest freight rate for air mail for a single 1:18 sent from Australia to the US is $30AUD. That's what Biante charges, Gateway Models charges zero for postage if the order is above $200AUD, but Gateway doesn't subtract Australian GST for export orders. Also, I've bought Gradner's Coca Cola Commodore VT on www.sold.com.au from the New Zeland seller "Cosworth.sold", and he charged me $16US for shipping.
Other sellers whom I'm contacted quoted me a postge rate of $40AUD to $45AUD for a single model. As usual, Traffic Toys came on top with a rate of $40US(!) for air freight for a single model.
Generally speaking, if I have to go "overseas" to get some models I usually buy them from Australia (even 1:43s) because high European postage rates wipe out any potential savings.

Regards,
Sergey

[BATHURSTFAN]

Berkut try www.australiapost.com.au TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ON WHAT YOU SHOULD BE PAYING.

I know some books I got off ebay the postage prices varied greatly, it sometimes depends on what they use to send the item in, ie if they add the price of the box/satchel to the actual postage cost or whether they use some old cardboard to make a parcel.