Federal Election ...

[WET 24/7]

They're both probably as bad as each other, but who's gonna get ur vote ?

So, is it Johnny or Kev ??

[Martin Thomas]

I can't vote for either of them, they're not in my electorate..:D

You realise only arguements will come from this post? :D I will do my best to make this my last reply on this post but I can't guarantee anything..:o

[Tumbo]

totally agree Martin; i'll be voting for the person i chose to vote for and see what the democratic process throws up and then deal with the consequences

[Oh Five]

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[whitlam]

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what he said ;)

[Skaife fan]

you know what they say about politicians and nappies ...
you get my drift. ;) :D

[Leigh]

I wanna know who the 14 are who vote LOL

[lukey73]

Donkey as thats what they both are, and like it really matters as we never get what we want anyway :p

[lavenlaar]

The only thing skewed a little from a poll like this is that should try to guage which demographic is voting for who!

Im sure you'll find those that live in the more affluent suburbs will vote for Coalition where Blue Collar workers look at Labor. Then those that actually understand what is going on rather than the 18yo voting for the 1st time im sure 50% dont give a cow or vote the same as their parents.

On the other hand a lot more people cherish their right to democracy and will not disclose it.

But i have no shame - always voted Labor cause that's what i was hearing from my parents and how it affected them there-in-turn me. 8yrs ago was One Nation - because thats how i felt at that time, 4yrs ago , Liberal and now = ask me after the election ;)

Cheers

[sad]

I'm not telling who I voted for!!:p

[whitlam]

I don't mind some of The Fishing Party's (http://www.thefishingparty.info/)ideas :D

[WET 24/7]

Sorry guys, i didnt mean to ask "WHO you were voting for" ... the intention was more like "Who do you think will win the election". Sorry if if stood on anyones toes !!!!

Was just a simple poll that i thought would be interesting .... so where is the Biante Party ??
hehehehe

[barnart]

All I know is if the Libs win things won't change much, If Labour wins interest will go over 10%, unemployement will rise over 8% and the countries debt will blow out again, then the Libs will get back in and interest will drop and unemployement will drop and the debt will be paid off. That is how it works with state and federal politics in this country for the last 100 years.

[lavenlaar]

One other quick point that a lot of people dont realise is that if one party takes contoll of majority states' on a federal basis - GST WILL RISE ! keep that in mind if voting labor (considering they control the states majority) ;) Oh and on winning election HOWARD will - labor will not make up the 13 seats needed ! maybe 6 or 7 only will be made up..

[Leigh]

Interest rates are already going uppity up up...so will it really be the fault of Labor?

[Skaife fan]

Interest rates are already going uppity up up...so will it really be the fault of Labor?
Johnny would like you to believe that.

[toad]

Personally I am more concerned about the AUD being too strong than interest rates going up a point or two.

[lukey73]

Personally I am more concerned about the AUD being too strong than interest rates going up a point or two.


Do you get paid in USD Steve? I know a friend of mine hated it when the AUD went up as he worked for US Companies out here on contract and loved the exchange rate when it was 55-65 cents in the dollar.

[Leigh]

A higher Australian dollar detracts people overseas from buying Australian products, and encourages people in Australia to buy from overseas, meaning our trade doesn't balance, putting pressure on inflation and interest rates...

If not controlled, you can get into runaway inflation and potentially a recession. Whoever gets in at this election is going to have to be VERY savvy with the money to stop this happening. Giving people tax cuts will only encourage people to buy more imported goods...you can see where this is going:(

[Martin Thomas]

Not preaching, but.... If you want to be informed on the economy, read Ozonomics. It's not pro anyone or anything. But a Lecturer from England breaks down the economy to take out the gibberish and explains what affects interest rates and who has made the important changes.

Even Johnny says the government doesn't affect interest rates.. Now. ;)

[lavenlaar]

Well time for my Japanese LCD tv soon ,... AUD = 112 yen :D up by 40 yen in 2yrs

[Martin Thomas]

All I know is if the Libs win things won't change much, If Labour wins interest will go over 10%, unemployement will rise over 8% and the countries debt will blow out again, then the Libs will get back in and interest will drop and unemployement will drop and the debt will be paid off. That is how it works with state and federal politics in this country for the last 100 years.


Well, us here in the West are Waaaaay behind you guys. Labors been in here for a while now and we can't get enough people here to fill up the jobs. Though I think that has more to do with China and resources than the government.

Did you know we have one of the higher interest rates in the developed world right now. And had one of the lowest when Keating gave us 18%. Don't believe me? Check it up..

[lavenlaar]

Well on the negative for Liberal - interest rates for houses at $500,000 (avg for Syd) @ 8.25% you pay more than under Labor at $100,000 for 15% !!! work it out !!!

[gab73]

What really cheeses me off is the whenever theres an election thats when these over paid morons ( with my money) decide to spend it where its really needed. Im not interested in tax cuts, spend it on Health, Schooling, Pensioners etc but don't only consider these when theres an election looming.

[toad]

Do you get paid in USD Steve? I know a friend of mine hated it when the AUD went up as he worked for US Companies out here on contract and loved the exchange rate when it was 55-65 cents in the dollar.

Yes, a significant part of my remuneration is USD

[malscar]

Well on the negative for Liberal - interest rates for houses at $500,000 (avg for Syd) @ 8.25% you pay more than under Labor at $100,000 for 15% !!! work it out !!!


A couple of things to consider.

Firstly what were salaries back then compared to now? Ave $50,000 salary now was probably $20,000 then.

Secondly, for the last 7 years I have watched new home buyers (read in their twenties) wanting that 4 bedroom double garage ensuite etc etc home. This means they are jumping the 3 bed single bathroom and maybe a carport first home that the previous decade or older buyers were willing to buy as a first home. Also these new buyers have two new wizzbang cars with loans to boot.

No wonder the home values have soared since 1997 and when rates rise a little bit, they scream. Try as you might, if you showed them what would happen if the rates rose by 1% they could not care.

[Leigh]

Gee Mal, If I didn't know better, I would have thought I typed that!

I couldn't agree more!

[malscar]

The other thing that continually came out was that where I was based, I had young professional, married couples come in for loans right to the max of their borrowing limit. If you asked if they were going to have a family (trying to get them to consider all things that could reduce their income - responsilble lender that I was) the answer was invariably ' No we are not planning on starting a family for 10/15 years.' Oh boy, will life show them a few things.

[Martin Thomas]

Secondly, for the last 7 years I have watched new home buyers (read in their twenties) wanting that 4 bedroom double garage ensuite etc etc home. This means they are jumping the 3 bed single bathroom and maybe a carport first home that the previous decade or older buyers were willing to buy as a first home. Also these new buyers have two new wizzbang cars with loans to boot.

No wonder the home values have soared since 1997 and when rates rise a little bit, they scream. Try as you might, if you showed them what would happen if the rates rose by 1% they could not care.

A couple of points I can't agree with there.
Do you think a 20 something thinks he/she can buy a 3 bedroom house now and upgrade in the future, or is it more of a life-time decision nowdays.
Perhaps the oldies are now in bigger homes because they had a huge bonus when the price of their 3 bedroom single carport house nearly doubled in 12 months.
A 3 bedroom 60's cottage across the road from my sister sold for over $700000. It didn't even have a carport, just a driveway.

I don't think it's fair to say that young buyers are doing it to themselfs. We are not talking about iPods or flash cars, we are talking about a home. Imagine the horror an 18 year old felt when he was entering the workforce a few years back and saw prices rising by 20% year after year waiting for the bubble to burst. And still waiting..


This is an interesting read on interest rates..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/08/1999 290.htm

[malscar]

Martin, I watched from the position of a home loan and personal loan lender. The 20 somethings are a 'I want it now' generation and will borrow to the max to get it. Same when they are looking at cars.

With that house opposite your sister, is it located within a 5 or 10 km radius of the city centre? If so, as it is a '60s home, the block is possibly quite big (the old 1 acre block) and most of that price is for the land. I would put money on it being redeveloped with either a 'big' house or townhouse/unit complex. When it was originally built, it was probably a budget buster first home.

Just look at the new estates going up, and tell me how many 3 bedroom carport homes there are. Not many i guess. This is what has driven prices up in my opinion. I could be wrong but call it as I see it.

[malscar]

Do you think a 20 something thinks he/she can buy a 3 bedroom house now and upgrade in the future, or is it more of a life-time decision nowdays.

The average a person owns a house is 7 years. This may change as, as you point out, the ability to upgrade lessens.

One thing we have not touched on is the rental market. Very tight with rents getting to the stage that you are paying as much as a loan repayment. No way you can save lots. This in turn is pushing more kids to stay at home longer and therefore being subsidised by their parents.

Reading that article, he does not mention the fact that housing prices hit rock bottom in about 1990/1 rose a bit then dropped back to 1990/1 prices in 1997. Something that had not happened before. Although the market had peaks and troughs, it had not returned all the way back down.

[Martin Thomas]

Yeah, I see where you are comming from with the redevelopment. Would it be fair to say that the oldies bought houses for the 'now' in the old days. How many times did you hear people saying they need to find a new home because they had a new job in a different suburb, Now days people drive for an hour or more because they can't afford to move. just a thought, nothing to back it up. :confused:

i was going to bring up the rental market but stuffed up and had to retype and couldn't be bothered again..:D

I agree with the Generation now tag, but whats the cost differental between a 3 and 4 bedroom home with an ensuite in percentage terms. I don't know but would be interested to know. perhaps they are thinking ahead in which case it would be cheaper than upgrading or renovating in the future??

On any other point where people want to blame the 20 somethings, I'm with you.. Fashion and music is where we need to set them straight, not houses..:D:D

[beast]

My electaorate has De-anne Kelly for the Nationals and James Bidgood for Labor. Well considering i almost laid out mr bidgood out the front of my workplace for continually trying to get me to vote for him. I wont be doing that.

I think the best vote is smily faces in all the boxes.

DOESNT MATTER:

THEY ALL SIT ON THEIR BOTTOMS AND DO NOTHING ANYWAY.

[wayno]

Spot on mate. All tarre with the same brush IMO.

[BILLFORD1]

Might have to find a brown dog to vote for....Just personally i wouldn't put Kevin 4711 in charge of a bbq! It is amusing entertainment though. eg those who bang on about not voting for JH as it's really a vote for Costello. They have not twigged to the fact that the same applies in the other camp...As soon as Julius Rudd scuttles off on his first overseas junket, singing Waltzing matilda in Mandarin to everyone he thinks has ears, Brutus Gillard will be getting the boning knife ready to roll !! :D

[Oh Five]

I think the best vote is smily faces in all the boxes.
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Dont "donkey" votes get given to the current serving party ? or are they null & void:confused:

[Graeme]

A 'donkey' vote is classed as an 'informal' vote, the same as any votes that are incorrectly filled out ... for instance, a House of Reps ticket requires that you place consecutive numbers - from 1 to whatever - in every box, otherwise the vote is classed informal.

Informal votes get their own tally and don't get allocated to any political party or independent on the ticket.

[Oh Five]

Thanks Graeme, I thought that was the case, but i could recall someone once tell me that it went to the current party. In that case bring on the smileys:laugh4:

[singer]

Liberal or Labor your voting for similar policies with a bit of edge trimming round the sides.

I've asked ALL parties not to send me any of their Electoral B/S

They still do:mad:

The Libs carry on about how the Labor Party is Full of Unionists. You have to remember how the Labor Party was Formed and why.
Does any one do any history? Does anyone know about the Great Strike of 1896

What I can't understand is how Howard can keep bringing up the past when it relates to Labor's crashes (& so he should but) doesn't bring up his own;

I'll be Liberal leader when Lazarous has a Triple bypass;
In relation to the GST, Never ever, ever;
In relation to Workplace Relations - Nothing, we just got it. The policy was never mention during the Election;
When Howard was Treasurer in the Fraser Coalition Govt he was responsible for 5 Deficit Budgets & leaving us with the worst Recession since the Great Depression, a recession that we never had to have;
Howard has an ex Union Leader in his Front Bench. Brendan Nelson was President of the AMA (Doctors) & 1st approached the Labor Party to become a member. His application was dismissedHoward has been a Nasty shifty piece of work who got into Politics because he couldn't run his own accounting business.

A few of my friends both young & old (78) say that only failures gravitate towards politics. Perhaps it because you have to become a liar 1st class

[inter]

do we have to talk politics on the forum .....I know it is a free country but is this the place????????????

[Oh Five]

Im not fussed about politics either Inter, but its quite simple if you dont want to talk politics then dont open the thread. I dont follow F1, so i dont open the F1 rumour thread.. free choice.

[WET 24/7]

Im sure the thread name was enough to know what the actual thread was going to be about. So, if you dont want to know anything about it, why did you open the thread ???

A bit like the V8 Supercar haters who continually complain about V8 Supercars, huh ????

[Esses]

Martin, I watched from the position of a home loan and personal loan lender. The 20 somethings are a 'I want it now' generation and will borrow to the max to get it. Same when they are looking at cars.

With that house opposite your sister, is it located within a 5 or 10 km radius of the city centre? If so, as it is a '60s home, the block is possibly quite big (the old 1 acre block) and most of that price is for the land. I would put money on it being redeveloped with either a 'big' house or townhouse/unit complex. When it was originally built, it was probably a budget buster first home.

Just look at the new estates going up, and tell me how many 3 bedroom carport homes there are. Not many i guess. This is what has driven prices up in my opinion. I could be wrong but call it as I see it.


I couldn't agree more. We bought this place (3 br/carport-pergola/400sqm block) 13 years ago for $110 000-00, 5% deposit & as I was self-employed at the limit of our credit. We had to back-trade a car to do that too!:rolleyes: Instead of moving, we've added 2 bedrooms, an ensuite, sunroom & landscaped like mad. It's now worth in the order of $500 000-00. We're not interested in selling, I'll be quite happy to die here, hopefully in a loooooooong time. Thing is, here in Canberra these days you can't BUY a basic 3bedder any more. First homes now are minimum 4br, ensuite, 2 living-areas, double or triple garage, big outdoor entertaining areas & NO yard. It's all covered by house. We were sneaky & set our place fas ar forward as was legal so we still have big enough backyard for kiddy cricket or footy. There's 2 playgrounds & an oval within 5 mins walk anyway.
Yes, the 20-somethings ARE very "Everything now, if not sooner" - my Wife's younger sister & her hubby are exactly that & always have been. I'm not condemning that, just watching (& helping where we can) in grim amusement as life starts teaching them some lessons - & they only have their first baby to contend with.:D
AS for high interest rates under Labor, I'm old enough to remember our present PM's record as Treasurer - around 20% wasn't it? It was certainly to the despair of my parents. But for Dad's War-Service Loan buying a house would've been VERY hard for them. OK, off my soap-box now.:p Let the votes fall where they may.

[inter]

Im sure the thread name was enough to know what the actual thread was going to be about. So, if you dont want to know anything about it, why did you open the thread ???

A bit like the V8 Supercar haters who continually complain about V8 Supercars, huh ????

I knew it was a politics thread, my post states, do we really need to discuss this in this forum?

[WET 24/7]

Sorry, i thought this was a public forum ....

[rusky26]

I knew it was a politics thread, my post states, do we really need to discuss this in this forum?

Why not?? its a valid topic

[inter]

Sorry, i thought this was a public forum ....


yes it is a public forum , i also stated this

[WET 24/7]

It seems as tho you'v stated a lot in a thread that you werent even interested in !!!

[Nate07]

I knew it was a politics thread, my post states, do we really need to discuss this in this forum?

Its only "invalid" when you make posts such as that!

[Gottaluvbrocky]

I rather vote for something who know what they are doing!!!! Go Johnny - He may not be perfect but would a Kevin do any better? I personally don't think so.

[HDTHSVHRT]

John Howard brought in GST so he wont be getting my vote!

[hobby]

Hi again to all,

with all elections on the ballot papers there should be an extra box to tick
it should be located below all other boxes and marked.

None of the above

now how many would tick this

please don't take this as serious , it is only an idea

[Leigh]

John Howard brought in GST so he wont be getting my vote!

GST was coming in no matter who won that election...

The BIG problem in Australia is they don't teach people in school how Australian Governments work...

[Leigh]

[snip]Howard has been a Nasty shifty piece of work [snip]

do we have to talk politics on the forum .....I know it is a free country but is this the place????????????

Talking politics is fine as long as it's kept to the facts, and not warped personal opinions and slanderous comments...

[Garry]

John Howard brought in GST so he wont be getting my vote!

Of interest, prior to the introduction of 10% GST, diecast model cars incurred a 22.5% sales tax. Unfortunately, the drop in the price of models was short lived due to an increase in wholesale prices.

[Nate07]

I rather vote for something who know what they are doing!!!! Go Johnny - He may not be perfect but would a Kevin do any better? I personally don't think so.

Yeah, one thing your mate Johnny knows how to do is grab Aussie Families by the .....

[Leigh]

Yeah, one thing your mate Johnny knows how to do is grab Aussie Families by the .....
exactly the sort of comment that will have the thread closed...

[BIGJIM]

Talking politics is fine as long as it's kept to the facts, and not warped personal opinions and slanderous comments...

Nothing wrong with warped personal opinions Leigh, after all it is a forum where people come to discuss their opinion. From all the reading ive done on here over time it seems plenty of members have warped opinions, including yourself, why should politics be sacrosanct?

There are alot of angry people out there across the country, surely they can have a crack at Johnny if they want....

[Tumbo]

I guess what Leigh is trying to say is that you can make comment without it being slanderous

[malscar]

The way I see it, if you want a constructive debate, instead of one liners, give reasons for your love/dislike of the parties/policies/candidates. At least then, you may help people to make a decision that is relevant to them and their area.

As to the 'donkey' vote, if you do that, you then give up any right to complain about the eventual Government we end up with.

As we all know, there is only a choice of Labor or the coalition lead by Liberal. If it ends up that the Independants hold sway, then the minorities will be getting their way to the detriment of the majority of the population. In my opinion, not a great way to govern.

Oh, and by the way, stop complaining about Canberra this and Canberra that when the Aust Government does something. We don't want them here either and you buggers sent them here.

[Esses]

I guess for me it comes down to a Serial Liar vs someone who probably will lie to us. I got to loathe Keating's arrogance so much that I very nearly voted for "Honest John's" mob back in '96 but just couldn't bring myself to make that leap of faith. Some instinct told me "no, no, no". Lo & behold, in short order out came the "Core & NON-Core Promises". I could go on but I'm off the soapbox & that said it all for me back then. Nothing much has changed since. For my Family, "It's Time".;)

[sad]

Without trying to labor-bash i could tell you 1 reason i don't like them but i'll be laughed at i'm sure!.I'll just say its to do with a former leader (And PM) of theirs and a comment he made about my home town which was seen by most here as derogatory.

[Leigh]

I guess what Leigh is trying to say is that you can make comment without it being slanderous

Exactly...and many threads have been closed for this reason.

[singer]

Talking politics is fine as long as it's kept to the facts, and not warped personal opinions and slanderous comments...

Leigh,

If they are true comments, they are not warped personal opinions they are Fact. I would not put anything on a Public Forum which could not be substantiated.

John Howard walked away from a failing Accounting Practing & became the Member for Benelong in 1974.

I DO NOT resile from any of my comments, particularly that "Howard has been a Nasty shifty piece of work who got into Politics because he couldn't run his own accounting business."

It was Howard's Electral pay that kept his business afloat until he managed to sell it.

As for my statement "When Howard was Treasurer in the Fraser Coalition Govt he was responsible for 5 Deficit Budgets & leaving us with the worst Recession since the Great Depression, a recession that we never had to have" I STAND BY IT. As it was based on reasearch however, there are Economists which differ in their opinions.

IMO a mans WORD should be his BOND. JH has shown many times that he does not adhere to this belief.

Recessions are a Fact of Life. The Monetary policy of the Govt of the day has a lot to do with how bad the impact will be.

We had a bad recession 59-61 under Menzies, we've had bad recessions in the 30's & 40's under differring Govts & we have had them in the 70's both under Labor & Liberal Coalition Govts

Federal Govt can always skew figures while in Govt, according to their own accounting practices. I've worked under 4 of them.

I do know how the 3 tiers of Govt work.

As I see it, there is not much difference between the 2 major political forces in Australia. The one thing that I can see is that they've both moved FURTHER to the right.

I studied the Constitution. From my interpretation, the Senate was ALWAYS meant to be a House of REVEIW. The regulations which the Coalition pushed through by virtue of their majority in the Senate are invalid.

If the Howard Govt was 'fair dinkum' they should have brought this before the Electorate at the LAST Election in a Referendum held jointly.

IMO the regulations changing the way the Senate works are unconstitutional & should be taken in font of the High Court to challenge there validity.

You won't see the Labor Party doing it, because it suits their agenda. I am equally as vitriolic in my opinions regarding the Labor Party.

Both Parties are as one when it comes to the truth & they are both as bad as each other.

The issues which should be debated should be CURRENT not the failings of various parties/people that are decades old

Leigh, if you want to discuss this further feel free to PM me.

Cheers:)

[Tumbo]

Leigh,
I studied the Constitution. From my interpretation, the Senate was ALWAYS meant to be a House of REVEIW. The regulations which the Coalition pushed through by virtue of their majority in the Senate are invalid.

If the Howard Govt was 'fair dinkum' they should have brought this before the Electorate at the LAST Election in a Referendum held jointly.

IMO the regulations changing the way the Senate works are unconstitutional & should be taken in font of the High Court to challenge there validity.


The use of the Senate as a house of review stopped decades ago. A key example of where it became a political force was the introduction of a GST where a party who went to the electorate with one primary policy and won on that policy were unable to introduce it as proposed because of minority party interference. The same can be seen back to the 80s.

As for challenges to the High Court, atm we have probably one of the most progressive High Courts we have had who step well over the bounds with regard to their Consitutional powers. The position of the High Court is to interpret the law and provide advice, it is not to create the law. The way they have broadened the scope of s51 of the Constitution and the progressive attitudes they have toward attempting to influence political opinion on both sides should not be tolerated, but at the end of the day what can we do?

Both sides of politics lie to us, both sides of politics have their own agenda, both sides of politics have infights and thanks to the use of the Senate unless a party has control as the current government does neither side can fully introduce legislation enacting on their promises.

[singer]

The use of the Senate as a house of review stopped decades ago. A key example of where it became a political force was the introduction of a GST where a party who went to the electorate with one primary policy and won on that policy were unable to introduce it as proposed because of minority party interference. The same can be seen back to the 80s.

As for challenges to the High Court, atm we have probably one of the most progressive High Courts we have had who step well over the bounds with regard to their Consitutional powers. The position of the High Court is to interpret the law and provide advice, it is not to create the law. The way they have broadened the scope of s51 of the Constitution and the progressive attitudes they have toward attempting to influence political opinion on both sides should not be tolerated, but at the end of the day what can we do?

Both sides of politics lie to us, both sides of politics have their own agenda, both sides of politics have infights and thanks to the use of the Senate unless a party has control as the current government does neither side can fully introduce legislation enacting on their promises.

Tumbo,

Agreed.

I didn't say that the misuse of the Senate was restricted to the Coalition. What Labor did while in Govt was dispicable as well.
John Howard likes the Tag "Honest John". I think that the regulations are unconstitutional.

As regards the High Court, I also concur with you.

However, it costs LOTS of $$$$$$$$$ to mount a High Court challenge.

I know, I've done it & mortgaged everything i owned. I did it on principle.

I won ,but the cost to family, career, & your own state of mind is so GREAT that even though I won it doesn't feel like it.

[Oh Five]

and a comment he made about my home town which was seen by most here as derogatory.

Where is Home?

[sad]

Where is Home?

darwin,The point i was making was keating apparently once said something about it only being good when you're flying over it,Which as i said people round here took it badly.There are other reasons i don't like them just that one was the least controversial shall we say.

[Leigh]

Ken, As per normal, you missed the point!

Nobody deserves to be called names...I could call you a few now that would have you upset...

Keep to the facts, and cut the name-calling/slander.

Leigh

[Esses]

As a pacification idea & to avoid this thread being locked/deleted, what about stopping any further posts that might lead to that but still allowing votes to be made on the poll. I, for one, am finding that VERY interesting & would like to see it continue, sort of a model-collectors "Gallup Poll"?

[Gottaluvbrocky]

John Howard brought in GST so he wont be getting my vote!

Yes I know he did - but if your in Business & your registered for GST - You basically dont pay it!

[Gottaluvbrocky]

Yeah, one thing your mate Johnny knows how to do is grab Aussie Families by the .....

Whatever - I personally rather go with someone older & more experienced, than some guy who just crawled under a rock so to speak. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT LABOUR IS GOING TO DO A BETTER JOB???????????????? LOOK AT HISTORY IT DON'T LIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Oh Five]

:sleeping2:

No need to shout glb...or is that the Mrs??

[Martin Thomas]

Yes I know he did - but if your in Business & your registered for GST - You basically dont pay it!

You just administer it.. Free of charge.:confused:

[Leigh]

...and who administered the old sales taxes?

[Gottaluvbrocky]

You just administer it.. Free of charge.:confused:

Obviously you do if your in business - but 10% is nothing compared to some other countries....like the USA each state has their own sales Tax.

[Gottaluvbrocky]

:sleeping2:

No need to shout glb...or is that the Mrs??

Who's shouting?

[Oh Five]

CAPITAL letters mean yelling/shouting in puterland

[Footy]

Obviously you do if your in business - but 10% is nothing compared to some other countries....like the USA each state has their own sales Tax.

A sales tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax) is a tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax) on consumption (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumption_%28econo mics%29) and is normally a certain percentage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentage) that is added onto the price of goods or services that are purchased. Sales taxes in the United States are assessed by every state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state) except Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska), Delaware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware), Montana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana), New Hampshire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire) and Oregon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon). Hawaii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii) has a similar tax although it is charged to businesses instead of consumers. In some cases, sales taxes are also assessed at the county (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_the_Unit ed_States) or municipal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipality) level. While there is no national sales tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_sales_tax) in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), the most frequently proposed measure to institute one in Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congre ss) is the Fair Tax Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax), which would replace most federal taxes with a national retail sales tax and monthly tax rebate to households (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household) of citizens and legal resident aliens.
Sales tax is usually the responsibility of the merchant to collect and remand to the state, and stated separately (or implicitly added at the time of sale) to consumers. Usually only consumers are charged the tax; resellers are exempt if they do not make use of the goods. In some jurisdictions, a reseller's certificate is required to make use of this privilege. This is in contrast to a Value Added Tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_Added_Tax) (VAT), where resellers are also taxed (resellers may then claim the VAT paid on their purchases from the applicable authority). States which have exemptions for specific types of organizations (such as schools), may also require a certificate. A sales tax audit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax_audit) is the examination of a company’s financial documents by the state’s tax agency to verify if they have collected the correct amount of sales tax from their customers.


Sounds simple...:confused:

[bazzel]

never started never will and who cares there all the same they will screw you one way or another .

barry.

[VXfan]

This is just an absolutely pointless thread and all it succeeds in doing is causing heated arguments and lots of throwaway comments.
I can't speak for everyone else but I come here to discuss diecast and motorsports related subjects and try to get away from all the doom and gloom in the world and especially POLITICS!!!!:mad:
Cheers,
Tony.
P.S. Cue some cliched post telling me "If u don't like it don't read it".......:rolleyes:

[Nate07]

Whatever - I personally rather go with someone older & more experienced, than some guy who just crawled under a rock so to speak. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT LABOUR IS GOING TO DO A BETTER JOB???????????????? LOOK AT HISTORY IT DON'T LIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Crawled under a rock? WTF

Do you not watch the news?

And to your question. Yes, yes I do think Kevin Rudd will do a better job.

Bloody Liberal.

[VXfan]

I rest my case......

[brchi17]

This is just an absolutely pointless thread and all it succeeds in doing is causing heated arguments and lots of throwaway comments.....

I agree, this thread must be boarding on being locked...:confused:

[kts350]

I'm surprised it's gone on this long, the reason why I havent posted anything is i dont want to start any trouble..

[brchi17]

what worries me about this thread is it's fast becoming the Feral Election thread :D lol

[Dingo]

OK guys, I think everyone who has wanted their say has had it. Time to put this one to bed.